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ROGD Parent Support

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iamright17 · 16/11/2019 00:34

This is a new thread for parents who are experiencing the phenomenon of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria in their tweens/ teens/ young adults.

Sadly we are being watched and our words taken out of context so please be careful what you say.

I want the UK and beyond to listen to parents. Even if it is deemed as anecdotal for now, it is important for someone to acknowledge our perspective. The trans narrative is trying to undermine our credibility.

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iamright17 · 16/11/2019 22:42

Exactly. This is why it was posted on Feminism Chat as opposed to other threads re children. It’s the collective understanding and awareness of gender bollocks

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JanesKettle · 16/11/2019 21:06

Thanks to the people with experience or interest in the issue at large for popping by and for your solidarity. I think that's why this feels like a good space for me; women have our backs here.

JanesKettle · 16/11/2019 21:04

*What is happening is that gender non-conforming people are being engineered out of existence, all in the name of progress.

I'm bloody angry but I'm not allowed to say that in public for fear of alienating my own child.*

Same here. There is so much I cannot say under my own name, for fear of alienating my child/ren. I feel estranged from my own voice, and increasingly estranged from my children as a result.

I cannot understand - literally - how so-called progressive parents are embracing this most conservative of movements. To the extent that without the ability to access anonymous online support, I'd think I was going mad.

JanesKettle · 16/11/2019 21:01

There is a pattern to ROGD - and it helps us to see how similar our stories are,
because in that way we can start joining up the dots.

Yep.

I find the peer exposure in many of our kids' stories (not all) interesting.

Before my son's diagnosis of GD, he spent a year in a pretty intense friendship with a girl who I belatedly discovered spent that year identifying as trans.

I know the genderist spin is that 'two like souls found each other', but given I know that before meeting her, he did not have GD, and after a year with her he did...hmm...

She, of course, has moved on. Not trans now. My son is left dealing with significantly messed up ideas about what it means to be a feminine male.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2019 20:10

Sending love and support.

These kids are being completely failed.

Year Head made all the changes (told teachers to use he/him etc), then told her 17 year old brother but did not tell us. DS had to tell us.

As are these kids. I can not believe the year head thought this was in any way appropriate or considered the brother in anyway. And why putting the 'trans kid' front and centre might be about attention / sibling competition and is never ever thought about.

Smallblanket · 16/11/2019 18:08

Thank you for starting this thread. Only parents who are dealing with this can really understand, but it's great to know that other people empathise and hear our concerns.

It is right that our young adult kids are being sold out - but it's really worse than that. What is happening is that gender non-conforming people are being engineered out of existence, all in the name of progress.

I'm bloody angry but I'm not allowed to say that in public for fear of alienating my own child.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/11/2019 17:09

Sending support for this very valuable thread. I shall be lurking and learning.

OhHolyJesus · 16/11/2019 16:38

I offer nothing but support and well wishes with this thread, much like the trans widows thread, I think this is very much needed and the ideal place. I'll be lurking and sending strength to you all.

iamright17 · 16/11/2019 16:33

‘everyone knows about blockers’
This says it all. But it’s not a social contagion!!!

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iamright17 · 16/11/2019 16:29

Sometimes you just want to give in to it as you feel pressured to provide your child with some sort of support even if it doesn’t make sense to you. But the reason I struggle with this is because there has been no exploration or scientific evidence that convinces me that this is in my child’s best interest.
Surely we as a society can do better than offering drugs and surgery for a feeling that is invested in sex roles and stereotypes? It is regressive and makes me so angry that our kids are being sold out. They are too young to understand life long medication and associated problems with drugs and surgery. This is why it seems to them that we are not supporting the medical side of transitioning cause they can’t see our justified concerns. The people who pushing the drugs and surgery for youth know we are right and they encourage our kids to see us as toxic and harmful. It is beyond belief.
Parents are trying to protect their child. I hope this thread will help others understand just how damaging the Gender Clinics have been. They are not doing what we thought. They have been complicit in this development. They should stand up and be accounted. Thankfully, past professionals who worked at these clinics are speaking out. It is important that the Gender clinics stop now.
The more parents document their experience with clinics, the more informed other parents will be and can be fore armed. These clinics will also know that they are being discussed and might consider their interventions and who they let drive policy.

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MrsToddsShortcut · 16/11/2019 16:29

Hi, my 13 year old is autistic and is flirting with this. When she was 11 she was begging me to have her breasts surgically removed and asked me this year (quite casually) if she could take blockers. I asked her how she knew about them and she said 'everyone knows about them'.

It terrifies me. Her ASD makes her so vulnerable. Naturally, she thinks I'm a hideous bigot.

HandsOffMyRights · 16/11/2019 16:13

Good luck with the thread.
I don't have a child with ROGD, but I do have 13 year olds and know how vulnerable children are.

It's so important that you can speak out and share your experiences with others so that you can support each other and talk together. I'm sure many parents and children will welcome this thread. Flowers

SisterWendyBuckett · 16/11/2019 15:21

Thank you for starting this support thread.

Parents are in such a difficult position - we love our children and want to do everything we can to keep them as safe as possible and prevent them cutting off from us. This is especially difficult once they get to 18.

Anything we say that is not what they want to hear is used against us and taken as evidence that we are unsupportive - and worse.

The current climate does not help and it makes parents who don't/can't affirm feel completely isolated and alone.

I was told by my young adult daughter that she doesn't want us to understand, just to accept.

I can agree to disagree, using that as a starting point for discussion and to hopefully find some common ground. But all my pleas for moving forward in this way have fallen on deaf ears.

I've come to the conclusion that the only way for my young adult daughter to transition medically is for her to cut the past dead. She has been helped to do this by several key individuals.

There is a pattern to ROGD - and it helps us to see how similar our stories are,
because in that way we can start joining up the dots.

iamright17 · 16/11/2019 14:56

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Smallblanket · 16/11/2019 14:52

It's the irreversible interventions that I can't accept. I couldn't give a fig how my kid dresses or does, I'm ok with the different name and pronouns (although that was hard) , but surgical alterations and hormones for someone with significant MH issues who is autistic? And way below the emotional maturity of others the same age? I dare anyone to call me transphobic for not wanting that.

Qcng · 16/11/2019 14:15

Sorry, should add, it came on completely out of the blue, after a period of what I think was bullying by some other girls in their class, suddenly they decided to join the rainbow crew having shown no signs, a couple of others at their school have "come out" and they are friends with them now. They seem happier which is great, but it's a shame they are asking for irreversible surgery just to fit in.

Qcng · 16/11/2019 14:09

I'm not a ROGD parent, but a young relative of mine has 100% bought into the ideology, identifies as NB, wants surgery and hormones (to make "them" look more masculine) the whole lot. I'm forced to call them "them".

I really despair that these children are being sold basically a fashion trend that could cost them their future fertility and health, and uses up our already stretched health services.

This thread is a very good idea.

BessyK · 16/11/2019 14:03

You can find other parents in the same situation via Parents of ROGD kids: www.parentsofrogdkids.com/
It's based in the US but there's a UK and Europe group linked to it.

Smallblanket · 16/11/2019 13:48

iamright - no therapy offered at all, despite the service specification saying it should be provided.

cwg1 · 16/11/2019 13:23

Best wishes to you all Flowers

rodgmum · 16/11/2019 10:42

I’m here too. 14 year old DD announced to school at the start of October that she was a boy (a year ago had announced she was asexual and non binary). Year Head made all the changes (told teachers to use he/him etc), then told her 17 year old brother but did not tell us. DS had to tell us. Have since had a full apology from the school as the YH had completely made up policy. He tried to push Mermaids onto me as well and was most unhappy to find out that we were not singing to the dictated by the school hymn sheet (he’d called me in after I spoke to him about the pronouns to make sure we were “singing from the same hymn sheet” while making it clear the school would not budge from their policy- all lies)

There’s lots of support on Twitter as well- private groups and parents posting anonymously. I’m @rodgmum if you want to follow me or see a bit more about what we are going through.

iamright17 · 16/11/2019 10:40

Thanks all. Hope more parents who are experiencing Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria ROGD with their child will not feel alone.

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EmpressLesbianInChair · 16/11/2019 10:27

All the best from me too.

LangCleg · 16/11/2019 10:24

Just to wish you all the best with this thread. I'll be lurking and reading and sending silent support. And if you get invaded, I'll be here in a shot.

iamright17 · 16/11/2019 10:19

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