Posie Parker on Triggernometry

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"...feminists have to take some responsibility for opening the door to this with the whole "speaking as a woman" nonsense."

I personally agree with this, though maybe I'll be in the minority! The endless ad hominems of identity politics make me feel ill, as they are profoundly opposed to the idea of rational debate. I want to engage with what people say, not who they are.

Of course there is a GRAIN of truth in it, as women, black people etc. do have unique experiences. As I'm white, I would be cautious weighing in too heavily on a discussion about racism. However, it easily goes way too far and ends up with the death of rationality.

I'm watching it here

www.bitchute.com/video/Pdpc2r4cBxQ/?fbclid=IwAR3bfY6pIWBQkgxRNzQ16hy_MwqqjhwILkD_iO4rdGFE5QobLXbweeMsaRc

I want to make an upside down joke but I can't think of anything pithy enough.

Anyfucker?

Brilliant

@Triggerpod*
unfortunately feminists have to take some responsibility for opening the door to this with the whole "speaking as a woman" nonsense
Yes, this is when Posie called you a MRA. As a woman, I take no fucking responsibility for Men that want to identify as women invading and commandeering Women's private spaces. I take no responsibility for those that wish to obliterate the definition of Woman. I'm not responsible for Men's Rights Activists. The only people that are responsible for this attempt to erase women are Men.

Trigger, IdPol is a bastardization of feminist thought as far as I'm concerned. There's nothing inherent in the idea of women's liberation that necessitates any kind of totalitarian shutting down of other voices. I'm very much a Posie-style, 'make your case, be prepared for a counter argument, don't just whine about safe spaces and being offended' kind of feminist, and in fact I started out from a free speech position and eventually became a feminist that way round. Any way, point is, right behind you.

I demand you take back saying you ladies right now or I'll, I'll, I'll, do something feminazi like. Or something!

All the LOLs.

Anyway. Do stick around Konstantin. It was a good interview and it should never have been taken down.

Also: in actual feminism, the kind we practice hereabouts, woman is not a bloody identity. It's a material reality. With concomitant needs and requirements that differ from those of men (however they bloody well identify). Please do not blame us for the identifarian faux feminists. We don't like them much either.

Well, speaking as a woman, I normally get ignored or talked over. So censoring has some novelty factor.

I agree @HandsOffMyRights

I know you ladies have a particular issue with the gender ideology but for us this is about a much broader struggle which is the shutting down of debate in general.

As I said to Posie in the interview, unfortunately feminists have to take some responsibility for opening the door to this with the whole "speaking as a woman" nonsense. I know this isn't a popular thing to say on the Mumsnet feminist forum but as long as we have identity politics we will have creeping authoritarianism.

Of course different groups have their own issues but shutting people down because of their genitals or skin colour has to end. We really wish more people understood this.

And yes, @AnyFucker - they will regret fucking with us.

The full version is still available on Spotify...for now.

Hi Trigger and thank you for the interview.

I watched 45 mins last night and was going to watch the rest tonight, so gutted it's been removed.

Surprised? No. She touches the nerve of truth and we can't have that in the totalitarian state that is self ID can we?

I hope this shines more light on why those questioning gender ideology are silenced. I see this as no different to being closed down for drawing a satirical cartoon or writing a 'controversial' text that dares to ask questions over religion or extremism.

K, I have a feeling that the anti-freespeech anti-truth TRA mob might just regret trying to get you to stfu too

That kinda stings for an outspoken adult human female like me, but hey I'll take it

Have you seen Glinner's thoughts on this whole shit show ?

I have just read the behavioural agreement in your link, Konstantin.
I went to see Al Murray last night. I don't need to add anything to that really, do I?
He got his biggest cheer of the night when he talked about people being offended by everything.

I’ve just been listening to it on Spotify. So that is still an option.

Mainstream are starting to pick up on this:

www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/19/telling-the-truth-about-trans-is-not-hate-speech/

Patriarchy. Right there.

What @AnyFucker said.

Welcome to our world Triggerpod. Thanks for doing the interview - sorry I missed it.

I bet you are closer to "getting it" now

This.

Really disappointed as I hadn't had a chance to watch the whole thing. The trailer was excellent.

me too - I enjoyed reading the comments underneath - made a nice changed.

I enjoyed the interview, Konstantin

You and your colleague are decent interviewers. Clearly, you didn't quite "get it" but you did acknowledge that.

I bet you are closer to "getting it" now

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I peaked on the freedom of speech issue a long time ago :)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46541002

Really disappointed as I hadn't had a chance to watch the whole thing. The trailer was excellent.

I saw the full interview last night. I think it was excellent. I am glad I had the chance to watch it as it is now been deleted from YouTube. I had never heard of Posie Parker before. She talks common sense and has a lot of courage.