Shall we start a feminist think tank?

I'm in. I'm a professional writer - particularly short, crisp, marketing copy. Wrote a successful application for charitable funding and three books.

Ah idiot, just spotted that I need to DM the OP - how do you do that from the mobile app? Sorry to be dense!

I'm in - ex journalist, tv and digital media strategy and business person. I've had a trawl through, but can't if someone has mentioned how to sign up (or indeed if that has happened yet).

Would like to be in, am retired software engineer. Not sure if I can DM from the app...

Have DMd you OP 👍🏻

Thanks. I've DM'd you OP.

Please could you DM me OP?

I’m in. We need a secure space to discuss and debate these ideas. Not here - it’s too accessible. We need some quick slogans/hashtags that we can start throwing around the internet. I like #AWA as a quick throwaway. Start calling out the bullshit as misogyny every time they say something anti women. Be organised to create pile ons when some one/business acts against women. Have the femicide and female suicide stats to hand to respond to their stats. Use the AWA’s tactics against them. Start moving the conversation from not wanting penises in safe spaces to men/AGPs fetishising womanhood and that we are all being expected to be complicit in their fetish, even children. The argument of no men in women’s spaces isn’t working so we need a narrative that means (non trans) men are negatively affected. We need to roll our sleeves up and do this.

I'm in!

First post to this thread here.

If the meaning of woman has already been obscured, then using the term ‘pro-woman’ could get complicated. It also could indicate animosity towards the opposite.

I don’t know if this has already been suggested, but what about ‘sex- centred feminism’ or ‘sex-focussed feminism’?

Sorry for butting in here, I don’t want to offend anyone if I am suggesting the wrong thing.

I would like to be involved but I have no skills to offer, so just a supporter on the side holding a placard.

Knowledge is power

Educate by debate

Debate to educate

Pro debate

Womanface

Sex matters

A woman's place...

A man's place (is in the men's)

XX SEX XY

Pro LGB

Anyway I am sure you lot can come up with better catchphrases than me any day but I agree a list would help. There needs to be a phrase about sexual preference (not being a choice) because it matters that the L gain some support. Let's do our own language development as well as reclaiming ...

Pro resilience

Body positive

And also agree re reframing them as AWAs, because that is what they are. Calling them TRAs is to continue to frame the debate on their terms.

As true transwomen and transsexuals know, the debate has been hijacked by outsiders with zero concern for or respect for their views - this is really about attacking women's rights, not about improving the position for transpeople.

Yes, definitely pro-women.

Couldn't agree more.

They need to be on the defensive as being anti-women. Because, fundamentally, that is what this is about.

The TRAs are years ahead of us in short, pithy slogans eg TWAW - we have a lot of catching up to do, and fast.

I think our biggest advantages are a) reality. Because we're right and their views are batshit. and b) the power of the image. We may not have slogans as good as theirs but our pictures are way better. Pictures of Karen S, of sports teams/podiums with vastly bigger transwomen competitors in female competitions etc show at a glance how barking and misogynist the whole thing is.

Maybe we need a poster campaign/memes of key images?

And a collection of like-minded celebs to pass ideas to? Ricky Gervais, for example, has massive reach.

Or thinking further, we need to stop a) conceding ground within feminism and b) setting up a battleground between feminists.

I'm not a GC feminist or a radical feminist, I'm a feminist. Anyone who claims to be a feminist but isn't GC is not actually a feminist.

Why have we effectively split the movement and conceded that there is more than way to be feminist?

How can we expect future generations of girls to understand what feminism is if we effectively offer them a pick-and-mix of different varieties of so-called "feminism", some of which centre men?

We are feminists, not a particular flavour of feminism. In the same way that we are women, not 'cis' women.

In reality, self-defining as gender critical feminists is not dissimilar to being identified as 'cis' women - both suggest there are other, equally valid ways of being feminists and/or women.

And I don't think there are. We shouldn't need a separate sub-label. The label is used to attack and weaken us as a group - divide and rule. It draws attention to the divisions among feminism and not what we share.

T* as a term of abuse has worked successfully as an attack precisely because to the uninitiated, Trans Exclusionary and Gender Critical do sound like very similar things. If you don't get that gender is imposed on us and think of it as innate, particularly given the confusion in most people's minds over gender and sex, then being "critical" of gender does sound like we oppose people we see as being of a "different gender".

I agree with you that part of being effective is in framing both women’s activism and the issues we want to tackle with plain language. ‘Pro-women’, then? Goes with the Anti-women Activist label I have seen on here, which is a very fair description.