Help! Evidence required re correspondence with a Green

It is clear that he (and others aggressively pushing this agenda) don't actually believe that TWAW. Because if they did, they wouldn't give a shit about them. Just as they don't give a shit about women generally.

So he wants women and girls existing sex based rights and protections removed? He wants safeguarding to be lowered? Why? What other groups protections will his party remove at a whim? Why does he want girls to be excluded from their spaces?

Get HIM to defend HIS position.

The Green Party treated Andy Healey like shit with the help of Aimee and David Challenor:

twitter.com/djandyhealey/status/1033668245511917568

The Green party treated Olivia Palmer like shit

perspicats.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/the-genderquake-debate-fiasco-and-the-mccarthyism-that-followed/

This was the Green party in 2017:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/28/election-green-party-calls-for-trans-youth-to-have-right-to-change-gender-without-parental-consent/

(apols for the prick news link)

And if he is one of those people who says "men will always find a way to harm women", ask him if he locks his front door.

I have yet to encounter any tangible evidence of any harm caused by law abiding pre-operational trans women using female bathrooms.

The problem is not law abiding pre-operational trans women, it is non-law abiding men.

Thanks theflushedzebra !

So for him the distress for a trans person being turned away beats the distress of a women turning themselves away?

More practically,Perhaps you could suggest instead that facilities were provided for transpeople specifically to avoid the distress to all? Could he explain why that wouldn't be best all round? Surely it would be better for transpeople to turn to people who really understand their situation, which I suspect has more complex layers than standard Male on female abuse?

I have it on good information that the Green candidate in Westminster is the very same guy who a few years ago was advertising that he could enhance womens breast sizes through guided meditation or massage or some other such crap. Apparently he advertised it in the paper!
Maybe your friend can was lyrical on that? why seeing as he is so knowledgable and all.

Here the Independent articles, DefinitelyRandom They're pretty damning.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-wont-be-referred-to-as-non-male-by-the-green-party-women-have-suffered-prejudice-because-of-their-a6967926.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

The annoying thing is, I wold LOVE to vote Green. I'm just so annoyed they've gone all stupid on gender identity, rather than just concentrating on climate issues.

On a slightly separate note, DS is minded to vote Green as a protest vote unless I can point him to the Green view of women as “non men”. I’m sure it’s on here somewhere but can anyone kindly give me chapter and verse plus any other useful evidence.

Send him the photos of that ‘vulnerable’ woman prancing round the Canadian shelter with her ‘morning wood’ and ask about the human misery that situation is causing the other women in the shelter.

Ugh horrible man.

Why are there so many misogynistic men in left wing/liberal/progressive political parties?? They just dismiss women, and their experiences - but of course have jumped on the trans rights stuff right away - great excuse to belittle women. Anyone who says transwomen are women are belittling the female sex, and the centuries of oppression we've faced and fought against.

I sometimes do think women would be better off with Boris Johnson.

Oh, sorry I’ve just seen you say he’s not wanting to respond. Can you name names? There are quite a lot of gender critical men and women within the Green Party who are also very frustrated at having to deal with this!

There’s this critique of Stonewall’s report from FOVAS fovas.wordpress.com/response-to-stonewall-2/

I hate the arrogant assumption from both the Greens and Lib Dems that they don't need our votes. I want to rub it in their faces that this is causing them to hemorrhage the centre left voters that they are trying to mop up from labour.

I would reply with that.

Yes, you're right, further correspondence would be useless. However, I would like you to know that our exchange has convinced me to vote Conservative. I will also be forwarding your dismissive, misogynistic writing to friends and family who I sure will be put off voting for you as well. I have already shared your responses on Mumsnet, which, with an audience of (is it 14 million unique users?) may well have done your party some damage.

Go well,

Mid.

I would be rather blunt.

He is male. He has no authority to give away female spaces. They are not his to give away.

Just as I would have no problem allowing anyone who wished to to live in his house, use his personal things and drive his car. He might object, but in his world view that is irrelevant as he has demonstrated that he doesn't believe that the 'owner' of things has any say.

Is he ok with women and girls stumping past him at the urinal or is this a one way deal?

@ TheMarzipanDildo: I don't know why any feminist would consider voting Green. They were the party that suggested calling women "non-men".