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Lib Dem’s Equalities R4 now

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 14/11/2019 07:12

Right now

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Trewser · 14/11/2019 11:30

They're getting the absolute shit kicked out of them on Twitter they really are aren't they 🤣

TinselAngel · 14/11/2019 11:26

Luciana! Bloody autocorrect

TinselAngel · 14/11/2019 11:26

My instinct has always been to feel sorry for Luciano Berger as I hate bullying and she seemed to have been bullied out of Labour. Now I've heard her speak and realised how useless she sounds I've some sympathy with the people who wanted rid of her. She sounds completely out of her depth.

jadefinch · 14/11/2019 11:24

She was then on TalkRadio talking to Julia Hartley-Brewer about hate crimes and wasn't aware that a hate crime can be recorded without an actual crime taking place.

This + the letter to the feminist saying 'don't vote for us' + the parliamentary candidates on Twitter saying 'just block the TERFs' = I've gone from very unlikely to vote Lib Dem to no chance of voting Lib Dem

teawamutu · 14/11/2019 11:16

They're getting the absolute shit kicked out of them on Twitter. And no one seems to much care if the males in question have had surgery or not. The one supporter appears to be a trans person from Canada.

TeaAndStrumpets · 14/11/2019 11:02

To be fair, she's had a few years in Labour, so she has presumably already been brainwashed. She probably thinks people will nod and agree, like they did before. What a rude awakening........sort of opposite to awokening ? Confused

emphasisofmatter · 14/11/2019 10:50

I don't comment much on MN but came here on hearing this disaster on R4 this morning. Nick was brilliant - and lib deb policy on this cements the fact that I cannot vote for them. Evaded any meaningful response and overall she was clueless and very disappointingly things that this doesn't affect women's rights.

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 10:46

I don't think that fiasco will have won the LibDems many more votes. She was just floundering.

Nick Robinson is very good - v sceptical of the whole thing. I remember him upsetting Paris Lees by his refusal to kowtow to Paris's "stunning/brave' rhetoric.

RubyViolet · 14/11/2019 10:39

Well there it is. We can be in no doubt now that this is Lib Dem policy. Well l know where l am not wanted. Will play this clip to the canvassers on my doorstep if they try and fluff their way out of this one.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2019 10:29

I didn't hear the interview, but it seems like an awfully poor show for the LibDems to shove out Luciana Berger for an interview if this subject was on the cards. She can't have been in LibDems more than a few weeks after quitting Labour because of the appalling antisemitic abuse she's been subjected to (and it's noticeable that women seemed disproportionately targeted with this).

Needmoresleep · 14/11/2019 10:29

Perhaps we should thank the LDs. Up to now the debate over self-ID had been, well, #nodebate. Many people will have been unaware or presumed that the fuss was about something arcane and nutty and nothing to do with them.

But it is. It is about someone like Nick Robinson being able to walk into the women's changing room in M&S when your gran is being fitted for a new bra, simply because he feels like it. And a political party is on the radio bragging that they see this is a political priority, and a reason why people should vote for them.

Blokes on twitter are not buying this. Nor will the man on the Clapham omnibus. Lets hope the LDs carry on, and that the election proves that announcing you will impose self ID is political kryptonite.

The Tories have worked this out. I think John McDonnald also realises and will do his best to keep the issue low key during the campaign, as will SNP where some brave women have already spoken out.

misscockerspaniel · 14/11/2019 10:25

What surprises me is the BBC, Radio4today, writing that tweet. I wonder if it will be allowed to stay up.

everybodypuuuullllll · 14/11/2019 10:24

OMG her answers were meaningless!

She obviously doesn't understand the issues at all, does she?

everybodypuuuullllll · 14/11/2019 10:22

It's online now, at 1:12

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000b6s9

Trewser · 14/11/2019 10:13

The fact that primogeniture is an exception shows me unequivocally that this whole movement is rooted in misogyny.

Trewser · 14/11/2019 10:12

And yet...if i identify as a man, i still don't get to overthrow primogeniture.

Uncompromisingwoman · 14/11/2019 09:39

Take a look at that Twitter thread that FlamingoAndJohn shared - the number of men calling this out suggests a recent real shift in people being prepared to speak out?

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 14/11/2019 09:33

What a car crash. It just shows that they have not, and do not want to, think through the issues.

Lumene · 14/11/2019 09:23

Yes agree she has been courageous in other political areas.

Pepvixen · 14/11/2019 09:14

To be fair, she faced down terrible antisemitic attacks in the labour party. And she was brave in being one of the first change uk mps. But on this she has been terrible.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 14/11/2019 09:13

Nick Robinson has done great work on this

The BBC does still employ some excellent journalists. It's why even when I'm at my most misanthropic 'the BBC are a complete biased shit show' level, I still keep paying my licence fee

Berger is not a Lib Dem is she? as someone perceptively said upthread, she thought they were just centre leftists. Shows rather a worrying lack of political understanding

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/11/2019 09:03

Is she a plant? A fifth columnist perhaps? Tory or Russian mole?

BovaryX · 14/11/2019 08:55

Hilarious. The fact this craven, newspeak mediocrity gets a political courage award? What precisely has she done that’s courageous?

MockersthefeMANist · 14/11/2019 08:43

Ooooh, she flunked that.

Now bring on Layla. (got me on my knees...)

MarshaBradyo · 14/11/2019 08:43

Hearing her say yes to that question and the sprite / coke ad is making me feel so bulldozed

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