Lib Dem’s Equalities R4 now

It’s more worrying how ‘normalised’ it in the the US- the press is generally unashamedly blue-rinse about these issues.

And worrying how many people who feel gaslit or disenfranchised.

Many people don't believe people can change sex and worry about the safety of the daughters, but have no one speaking up for them....except perhaps Trump. Assuming that if something is repeated often enough in the media and by influential politicians, actors and others in the public eye, it becomes true, is a very dangerous game. One which Trump has been able to capitalise on. spite all his failings, he really could be reelected. The LibDems should realise that simply repeating TWAW undermines your credibility. In the same way as Hilary Clinton might blather on about strong women. People may not say anything, or not have the voice to say anything, or you may be incapable of listening. It does not matter. They think you are wrong and won't vote for you.

Transcript of the interview.
womansplaceuk.org/2019/11/14/not-so-liberal-not-so-democratic-the-liberal-democrats-and-women/

Thanks @LoveCompost X

I actually know my LD candidate from years ago. I expect he'd fudge a reply and then go about complaining to all and sundry about how transphobic I've got.

It’s more mainstream and hopefully the Dewey-eyed dingbats will be getting bored of their rainbow unicorns and looking for their next trend. The rest will be opening their eyes, engaging brains and getting fed up of being pushed aside.

It’s more worrying how ‘normalised’ it in the the US- the press is generally unashamedly blue-rinse about these issues.

It does really feel like the tide is turning. None of this was happening last year. I may still be politically homeless but at least it feels like people are starting to talk about it properly

Great tweet from glinner:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1195031788973891584?s=20

The thing that I want Luciana Berger to explain is the situations where it is necessary to treat somebody as female.

Most of the time I just want to be treated as human.

I only want (and need) to be treated as female in a very few specific situations and they are all related to biological sex.

I'd go as far as to say that if somebody is specifically treating me as female in a situation where my sex is irrelevant, they are probably being sexist.

Sorry, my previous post was to MissLawis .
Liz in Sheffield is extremely sound . The TAs tried to destroy her business after she hosted a women’s meeting at short notice because TAs had shut down the planned venue. She’s brave and principled . One councillor was utterly determined to bring her down . Didn’t succeed ha ha

Of course you’re not inciting hatred - your comment was fantastic . Parents of ‘trans’ kids often double down without thinking logically . Carry on the fight xxx

Just chatting to DH now about Luciana Berger on R4 this morning. He said: “”I know you’ve been talking about this for a while, but did you hear that Lib Dem woman on R4 this morning? That’s it! I totally get it now and there’s no way I can vote Lib Dem.” A conversation ensued about ballot spoiling...

RedToothbrush
That list is funny, it labels all the non binary people as such, but all the transwomen are not labelled.

From an article:

"Aspden's platform, she explained, will focus on two things: support for small businesses ("they've been neglected") and her view that the progress slowly being made to protect and support trans peoplele*_ in the UK has gone too far.
I asked if Aspden considers trans women to be women and trans men to be men. "No, I don't," she replied bluntly."

Sorry, bold fail, I was quoting RedToothbrush upthread

*Sheffield Hallam look like they have an interesting independent.

Liz Aspden has previous history with Jared O'Mara and doesn't think a lot of his record on women's rights.

She's standing on a woman's rights platform. It looks like she's gender critical but is getting a lot of 'transphobe' shouted at her.*

Obviously nobody has to take my word for it but Lis Aspden is absolutely sound and deserving of support.

theharlequinpub.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/false-allegations-of-transphobia/

Did they both fall foul of the decision to withdraw Brexit candidates from Tory seats

Yes.

Zoe does mention them in the small print under the confirmed candidates.

RTB, the Brexit party had two: Jessica Swift and Rachel Warby. Did they both fall foul of the decision to withdraw Brexit candidates from Tory seats, or does Zoe not count them?

Despite the obvious trans support, I suspect that Farage will be in no hurry to follow the LibDem lead in saying he does not welcome GC women.

The most interesting one on the list apart from Belcher is Sophie Cook who was Labour but dropped as the prospective candidate for Worthing East and Shoreham is standing as an independent there instead.

Ah yes, the very mature Sophie Cook:

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2018/09/25/brighton-radio-presenter-who-hoped-to-become-uks-first-transgender-mp-leaves-politics-after-losing-selection-battle/

I asked this person to follow me back so we could DM but she blocked me!

To be blunt, these people are morons. They don't engage because they don't have a single coherent argument. To say that the problem with self-ID is that it will encourage sexually predatory men to identify as women is a perfectly simple, clear, easy-to-understand objection, and it in no way vilifies trans people. The reason TRAs get so angry about it is because they know it's true and they can't argue against it. Thus their only response is to a) call you a transphobe b) block you so they don't have to listen to rational argument.

TRAs really are the most pathetic, useless activist group in history.

Thanks @TiredofthisBS and @Datun you're both quite right. I should've recognised the strawman! I've been party to much sealioning online over antisemitism I should've just blocked and moved on. (Sealioning, in case you don't know, is the insincere demand for evidence with absolutely no intention of taking it seriously. They just keep asking for more!)

Only I was following this person and thought she was okay! I'll have to tighten up my notifications on Twitter for a bit. Means I'll miss some responses but it might make life a bit easier!

@MissLawls As Datun says subconsciously they know you are right that's why they have to block you. They don't want the bubble to be burst.

I tried but they refuse to engage.

It's a tactic that you will see repeated relentlessly, over and over and over.

Claim you're saying something you're not (a strawman argument), and then refuse to engage when you point that out.

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Your sense of outrage will need to be parked. Because the only real argument is lies, and then no debate. It will happen every time.

Just look upon it as an acknowledgement that you are completely right.

List of trans and non binary candidates standing this election:
www.complicity.co.uk/blog/2019/11/general-election-2019-trans-and-non-binary-candidates/

The most interesting one on the list apart from Belcher is Sophie Cook who was Labour but dropped as the prospective candidate for Worthing East and Shoreham is standing as an independent there instead.

Thanks @TiredofthisBS but she's blocked me now. And possibly reported me to Twitter for hate speech. If so, I'm done for. I really wish I'd stayed away from it. I keep promising myself I will but then I get drawn back into by the sheer injustice of the thing. And the bullying. Two things I cannot stand are injustice and bullying! But you try to take a stand and you can often find yourself the victim of injustice and bullying!

@MissLawls apologies I missed the part where they refused to engage with you.