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Jenni Russell article in The Times: Politicians are betraying women in the rush to support trans rights

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StandUpStraight · 13/11/2019 18:13

Thank you, Jenni.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/politicians-are-betraying-women-in-the-rush-to-support-trans-rights-xzvhcf7m8?shareToken=64642eb10844a4086ebeb30b012fb564

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Indi0505 · 14/11/2019 07:53

I hope you are correct but I think this censoring is a deliberate policy by the Times to shut down commentary on these matters. They publish an article like this, and then take away the voices of the women who write in support of it. It only happens in articles relating to trans gender activism and it’s negative impact of women. I’ve been watching this for months and it disgusts me.

Uncompromisingwoman · 14/11/2019 07:53

A great article for printing out and giving to political canvassers - along with the Labour Women's Declaration. And sending it to any MPs currently seeking re election.

Igneococcus · 14/11/2019 07:48

Comments will eventually appear. I have seen this happening many times. If they publish an article that late in the day they won't let the comments show until mid morning the next day. At one point when I looked at it yesterday evening there were 14 people writing comments, at least I think that is what it means when there is a number rather than a letter in the round shape next to the three dots. There will be a lot of comments.

Indi0505 · 14/11/2019 07:43

I read Jenni’s article in the Times 12 hours ago. I agreed with it wholeheartedly and posted a comment in support. Twelve hours later and only one comment has been posted in response to this article. That comment, by Florence, has received over 550 recommendations which is extraordinary in itself. My own comment in support of Jenni has been “pending approval” for hours. I am concerned that the Times is censoring readers who write in support of this article and in support of the protection of women’s rights. By refusing to show the true level of support that Jenni has received for this article (as shown on the Mumsnet website) the Times is pandering to the trans gender activist lobby and failing to publish the full and honest response that many women feel about this issue. This is a disgrace and shows very clearly the power that the trans gender activists wield. As women who agree with Jenni we are being silenced: this in itself is another perfect example of women’s rights being over ridden by organisations that are too scared to take on the trans gender activists. Where will it stop?

umbel · 14/11/2019 07:28

Great article though still, this morning, only one comment.

Those of you planning to take out a subscription, please do take the time to tell them that you are doing so in part because of their excellent reporting of these issues, if you feel you can.

Arella · 14/11/2019 07:22

547 likes now

I commented. It has disappeared into the ether.

Igneococcus · 14/11/2019 06:01

I think the Times moderators start working around 9 am. Florence's comment has 486 likes now.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 23:07

It's about time someone was that honest in the media. I have very little faith in any of the political parties responding appropriately.

Uncompromisingwoman · 13/11/2019 22:57

I don't think the mod system works over night. And when they do start the comments roll up in a strange order with ones just made going up first followed by ones from 8 - 12 hours ago. Having said that, unlike the Guardian, they allow wide ranging comments - there can be some superb and informative comments on there (eyes FWR speculatively...)

MasakaBuzz · 13/11/2019 22:56

I commented - an innocuous comment. It’s still pending.

BarbaraStrozzi · 13/11/2019 22:50

Has their modding system been broken by the sheer volume of comments I wonder? Or have they switched comments off after being absolutely flooded? Still just the one comment up, now with 337 "likes"!

ImGenderfree · 13/11/2019 22:37

Fantastic article and clearing pointing the finger at politicians.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 13/11/2019 22:25

So pleased to see another Times article setting out the facts on this. Thank You Jenny.

I do wish I didn't feel so grateful to someone pointing out the obvious, but that's how far into the madness we have traveled.

Lumene · 13/11/2019 21:49

Fantastic article, thank you.

Figureof80 · 13/11/2019 21:21

Thank you for sharing that excellent article.

It is the final incentive, along with previous articles from Janice Turner, for me to take out my first online newspaper subscription to the Times.

MrsFogi · 13/11/2019 20:47

Well done to the Times for running another article. We now buy the Times every day (DH would like to get the Telegraph at the weekend but I have vetoed that on the basis of the column about the guy who feels like a woman and because I want to support the Times).

StandUpStraight · 13/11/2019 20:42

The Times are moderating the hell out of the comments. There will be loads pending. In the meantime the sole commenter is getting a ton of likes!

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littlecabbage · 13/11/2019 20:14

If you are on here Jenni, thank you. Very clear, sensible article.

mcduffy · 13/11/2019 20:11

I've commented but it says pending. Lots of likes for the one comment! What a fantastic article.

niceberg · 13/11/2019 20:09

What a great piece. It would be really good to see a series of articles from her on other angles to the issue (treatment of children, sports) while the GE campaign rumbles on.

koshkat · 13/11/2019 20:09

Brilliant! But I can see only one (supportive) comment which seems odd.

WaningGibbous · 13/11/2019 20:02

Very well written.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 13/11/2019 19:51

Great piece and she hasn’t even touched on the issues of the transing of children too young to properly consent or the destruction of women’s sport.

All we need is the information out there and the problems with unconditional acceptance are immediately obvious to anyone.

FWRLurker · 13/11/2019 19:49

Good article. But here’s how the other side will Respond and we should be ready to counter these responses.

  1. “no one is saying that biological sex isn’t important both are important”

  2. “how dare you imply trans women are perverts (Usually followed by racist analogy)”

  3. “cis women are perverts too”

  4. “perverts and criminals will go into women’s spaces anyway”

Sexnotgender · 13/11/2019 19:46

Fantastic article! So great to see more journalists picking this up.

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