Jenni Russell article in The Times: Politicians are betraying women in the rush to support trans rights

What does living as a man/woman even mean? Nobody has ever been able to explain that.

There is an equal tension within the trans rights movement between those who have genuine gender dysphoria and wish to live as the opposite sex and those activists who are using the cover of trans rights and self-ID to intimidate, taunt, assault and access women in vulnerable spaces.

And good luck ever distinguishing between the two. Ever, ever, ever.

Because, guess what, no-one can live as the opposite sex. Not even those men who really, really want to, and for whom it is a continual source of distress. No-one.

Yes but they seem to jump from 16 hours ago to one hour ago - mine was about five hours ago

53 comments now

People are starting to talk about it under Janice Turner's article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/perfectionist-mums-wont-settle-for-family-snaps-zqvxhmnch?shareToken=39cdfcabf2121c38bb326b0dd67423c3

Great article Jenni 👍👏

The article is a superb piece of writing. She absolutely nails it

Florence is now up to 831 responses! Is this a Times record? I’d like to post this comment to the Times but as they’re still not publishing any comments on this article there’s no point in trying to do that.

midcenturylegs that federalist article is interesting. Very comprehensive.

Noted this in particular
“In February 2017, Apple, Microsoft, Google, IBM, Yelp, PayPal, and 53 other mostly tech corporations signed onto an amicus brief pushing the U.S. Supreme Court to prohibit schools from keeping private facilities for students designated according to sex.”

The whole question as to why a civil rights movement related to a tiny minority is getting such massive political support, simply goes back to it being favourable for rich people to make more money.

That's a very good article, this is exactly how I feel about Self-ID, thank you Jenni.

I just had some likes for two comments I made on related articles a few weeks ago which I think means that some readers are clicking on the related articles which is great that their attention is drawn to these.

X-post with Igneococcus!

BessyK I haven't noticed that happening in normal circumstances, but I have noticed that if I accidentally recommend a comment which I already recommended earlier (especially if it's on a different device or if I went out of the article and then came back in later and forgot which comments I already liked), it will show briefly as recommended but then remove the recommendation and drop the number of "likes". So it basically takes it as removing the original recommendation. If I re-like it again after that (or like a comment I didn't already like) then it stays, though. Could that be what you're experiencing?

I am prepared to give the Times the benefit of the doubt on this, as they have been producing so many excellent GC articles and comments over a long period - commentators such as SilverLady usually have great contributions, and they are allowed to stand even if they would be considered very "controversial" by some other publications.

Fantastic article. Thank you The Times for keeping this discussion in the news.

BessyK, I have "un-recommended" comments by accident before when I forgot that I already liked it (and sometimes it doesn't show). I usually notice it but maybe not always. I'm sure that happens to other people as well. I actually also have reported comments by accident but they seem to have fixed their scrolling problem and that doesn't happen now anymore.
The Times has been really supportive to GC voices so far, I'm still optimistic that they won't drop the ball now.

I read that last night and was incredibly heartened. Sent it to an ex-colleague who posted the link to twitter - asking in a v neutral manner what people thought. It was her work account and she had an immediate response of "Fuc* that TERF noise". It really upset my friend (she deleted and blocked) as she'd never been subject to any hate on twitter before, her only contacts on her account are work accounts..

This morning I read this; thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

I am so tired, how do you all keep on fighting?

It could be that they are being inundated with hostile comments by TRAs and that is slowing them down - or they just think, Fuck it, I can't be bothered to deal with this and don't let any through.

I've also watched as my 'recommendations'
for a comment are removed and then the comment is even downgraded by 1. This has happened many times.

I hope Florence has turned her notifications for the likes of because that will flood her inbox.

My guess is that there a lot of pending comments.

The upvotes in the solitary comment are a useful barometer methinks.

That's a brilliant article, telling it exactly like it is .

For some articles like this one they pre moderate, for others they don't. I have commented on many GC articles in the Times and sometimes they were pending for hours.

Hi Ineococcus, I don’t believe our comments will appear. I don’t believe the moderators start work at 9. The readers responses for the other journalists writing in today’s Comment section are being posted thick and fast. It is only responses to Jenni’s article that are failing to be passed on to the public.

Great piece
This below sums it up for me

This crudity, this menace, is what self-ID is legitimising. The price of these men’s freedom is women’s fear.

Summarises my feelings entirely. Would have been good to cover the inherent homophobia and regressive stereotyping which has led to this point.