Help me understand...”Modest Fashion”

Some women prefer 'modest' fashion because their body has an irregular shape that is uncomfortable in close fitting outfits. My teen with scoliosis really prefers loose tops and has a naturally modest (one might say prudish, even) dislike of human skin on show. I think you are right to have a critical stance of the use and positioning of the term MODEST as it is still usually part of a typically sexist dichotomy. But from where can we go? Language has history but need we bound by it?
If its OK to be sex positive it should be OK to be immodest, revealing, body proud, slutty even. I was a 90s "ladette" and I enjoyed a wild few years. But if we are respectful of peoples choices it should also OK to "self identify" as a modest person, especially young or religious girls who are uninterested in exploring their sexuality through fashion.

Zut alors.
So I say that the word modiste sounds similar to modeste in French but would be a much better name for a fashion trend and someone misreads that, as
^The French for modest is modeste, which has absolutely zero connection with modiste, a completely different word.

Oui. I know my own language. I did not say they were the same word merely that they sound similar, as in when spoken.

Trewser

I agree calling women a "bike" is offensive. But that's not what I said, as well you know

I didn't say you did "as well you know"- So don't bother with a straw man there. The creepy part is you thinking about KM and KK naked on a thread about modest clothing.

I agree calling women a "bike" is offensive. But that's not what I said, as well you know.

It was in reply to another poster saying she knew wnat KK would look like as she wore such revealing clothes. I picked the polar opposite to KK to make the point that of course clothes don't completley hide body shape.

Can't believe I'm having to explain this, although you've been so aggressive and strange throughout this thread I'm not surprised that you can't follow arguments correctly.

MIdgebabe
Thin as a bicycle is new to me, but instantly reminded me of the phrase "I'd like to ride her' which may be why some people find it a bit off?

I can't find any other use of "thin as a bicycle" apart from Trews. The expression is "thin as a rake".

I agree with what you say. Calling a woman a "bike" or a "bicycle" is really offensive.

Trewser

I know exactly what kate Middleton would look like naked a bicycle. I know in the same way i know what kim k would look like

Here is your post.

Thin as a bicycle is new to me, but instantly reminded me of the phrase "I'd like to ride her' which may be why some people find it a bit off?

What has Kim got to do with this?

Trews posted that she imagines both Kate Middleton and Kim Kardashian naked. Kate M, apparently is , to use the expression no-one apart from Trews has ever heard of, "as thin as a bicycle"

I think Trews is a bit confused- the expression is "thin as a rake" or
"thin as a whippet"

and I apologise if you find the idea of bicycles creepy

There is nothing creepy about bicycles- what an absurd thing to say !!.

The creepy part is imagining Kate Middleton and indeed Kim Kardashian naked and posting about it - particularly in a discussion about "modest" clothes.

Dont know if it's a countrywide thing, but round here ugg style boots get called 'slag wellies' by some people.

If calling clothes modest is ok, then I guess referring to boots using terms like 'slag' is ok too, right?

Oh do you know, i started typing but then got bored. Read the thread.

This thread is reference to the word modest and a women's clothes range. What has Kim got to do with this?
Genuine question.

Anyone can wear what they want (if they live in a society/economy that allows that) but ‘modest fashion’ in this context is specifying gender norms for women. Only women. As has been done for centuries in patriarchal societies.
It’s promoting (or enforcing in some circumstances) a certain look of ‘femininity’ (not expected of or allowed to men).
You also don’t see a typically masculine-coded-clothing take on ‘modest fashion’ for women. Even though if the aim is covering up, many men’s clothes would be very suitable for that as they are often high necked and long sleeved and down to the ankle..

But its fine to criticise Kim Kardashian?

Thin as a bicycle?
How rude.
We are talking about modesty and some says something like that about KM
Do your Converse fit comfortably?

Yes, you keep going on about how creepy it was. I understand that you find it deeply disturbing and I apologise if you find the idea of bicycles creepy.

she is, as thin as a bicycle. It is possible to see what someone's body is like. It's a saying which clearly noone has heard except me, and maybe the mumsnet moderators

Well Google doesn't seem to have heard of this saying either. I think you may be confusing it with "thin as a rake". Doesn't make it any less creepy.

The reference to those brands was a response to your absurd suggestion that it was impossible before this to buy stylish but modest work wear where was that?

Brilliant. Just the kind of brands to appeal to a modern Middle Eastern woman who wants to be at the height of fashion

The thread was about the creep of term "modest" into standard UK use. The reference to those brands was a response to your absurd suggestion that it was impossible before this to buy stylish but modest work wear.

Your comment about imagining Kate Middleton naked including the weird reference to a bicycle is deeply creepy.

Jaeger, Austin Reed, Alexon, Planet, Windsmoor, Country Casuals, Liz Claiborne

Brilliant. Just the kind of brands to appeal to a modern Middle Eastern woman who wants to be at the height of fashion.

Oh! Then I will give your argument a finishing mumsnet gavel.