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"Micro" acts of every day sexism...

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GunpowderGelatine · 13/11/2019 11:43

...you know the kind of things that, if you didn't look for it you wouldn't even notice?

For example, I'm at hospital today for an outpatient appointment. I noticed that when the staff (Male and female) would call out for patients for their appointment, they would use women's full names (e.g. "Emily Dixon?") and for men they'd use their salutation ("Mr Roberts?"). Every. Single. Time.

I feel like if we look out for things like these we'd notice a lot more? Is it just me going mad or do other people have things like this happen?

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BlingLoving · 18/11/2019 21:57

Oh in that case, totally agree. Ridiculous

CranberriesChoccy · 18/11/2019 21:17

@BlingLoving

I told her we take turns and she still said it's men who should do that kind of work. I'm sure such thinking has prevented women from getting certain jobs they are more than capable of doing.

BlingLoving · 18/11/2019 20:57

Actually cranberry, I would assume the woman thinks that the women are given the shit jobs!

SoundofSilence · 18/11/2019 13:03

Very micro, but it makes my teeth itch. DS2 used to love the Cbeebies show Octonauts (talking animals having underwater adventures in a submarine) and sometimes accidentally turned on the audio description on the TV.

It turns out that when you have audio description on for the opening credits, where the characters are shown one by one, the male characters are described by their job roles but the female characters are described by their species. So Tweak is just 'a bunny' and not the engineer. Start your everyday sexism while they're young.

CranberriesChoccy · 18/11/2019 12:51

At my work, there are three of us (2 women, 1 man) who take it in turns to clean the car park with a litter picker. One day it was raining and windy when I went out and a lady not much older than me asked why we don't make the men do these kinds of jobs. Assuming I guess she thinks women are more feeble?

BlingLoving · 18/11/2019 12:38

Annoys me endlessly that the class WhatsApp groups are mostly women. I'm always pleased when someone asks for their husband to be added. Then there's always the "Good morning ladies. Just a reminder that today is harvest festival collection week..." and it makes my teeth itch.

They recently asked for people to go into class one day a week to help out. DH stepped up and is doing one of the slots. Which makes me happy because maybe some of these women will realise it makes sense to have men on there too!

GinnyLane · 17/11/2019 13:33

I worked as barstaff (occasional waitstaff) for years. I never, ever put drinks or food on the table without asking first. And since I am likely to order rare steak while my fiance orders shellfish, I know that there can, unfortunately, be a prejudicial assumption.
However - when delivering a pint and a glass of wine to an heterosexual coupling, I have - waaaaayyy more often than not - been directed to deliver the pint to the woman and the wine to the man. Only for the man (and, yup, despite this essentially being a thread re: sexism, it has ALWAYS been the man) to laugh and say that I have been tricked // fooled // idiotic, and that I have got it wrong...
I give zero fucks what.you eat or drink. If, however, you date a dick who gets their kicks from making fun of mininum wage waitstaff... You can bet your (or their) rumpsteak that I'll judge.

xxyzz · 17/11/2019 12:47

Fabulous, KristinaM.

Brefugee · 16/11/2019 14:50

When men I know socially become fathers, I always ask them if they are going back to work part time.

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Slightaggrandising · 16/11/2019 14:49

Man on the packed train yesterday did that fucking annoying thing where they put their hands on your waist to move you out of the way.

I said "don't touch me" he told me I was being precious.

GunpowderGelatine · 16/11/2019 14:03

Seen another example this morning on my local Spotted page.

The page has posted on behalf of a woman asking for advice about a local school who is threatening her with social services if she doesn't pay the £14 arrears on her child's school dinners 😢

A woman commented saying she'd be happy to clear the arrears for her. A man also commented saying the same thing. Guess which one had no comments and which one has 7 adoring "wow you are kind and amazing" type comments?

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wibdib · 16/11/2019 12:48

@DCIRozHuntley ooh that would be really annoying. Were you ever tempted to ask them to run a bacon sarnie and make new mates session for the new mums too?!? Would be really tempted to find a few like minded mums and raise it with them as an issue!

MinesaBottle · 16/11/2019 12:27

Earlier this week I waiting for the tube, standing in front of where an end door would be. Train pulls in and older bloke standing next to me (in front of the next end door) just walked right in front of me and got ready to get on. Ffs. I didn’t really think, and instantly snapped ‘sorry, don’t just walk in front of me’, he moved without saying anything, I got on, spent the journey seething with adrenaline. Included here because I bet he wouldn’t have done that to a man 🤬

Binglebong · 16/11/2019 12:25

Great reaction KristinaM, going to borrow that.

EBearhug · 16/11/2019 12:16

I see this as confirmation bias. According to what you've written, it'syouwho has made the assumption that the reason for keeping your nails cut and shaped is to 'make ourselves look attractive to men* not the person who said it would be nice to spend time with your daughter.^

Rubbish. How many parents of boys get told it's lovely, because they'll be able to have manicures together, because it's all about self-care, not girly stuff? Probably fewer than parents of girls are told they must be looking forward to playing football together or work on the car. I would be very surprised if that many parents of girls hear that, but I would expect it to happen more than parents of boys are told it'll be nice for their sons to learn how to make sure they have well-presented fingernails. Because of sexism, not confirmation bias.

hopelesssuitcase · 16/11/2019 11:52

those people could just be saying it's nice to have a daughter to share common interests with
Well that's what sexist there isn't it. I share plenty of common interests with my sons, and the poster who originally said people were saying this to her made it clear that getting her nails done was not an interest of hers.

RandomlyChosenName · 16/11/2019 10:50

Ironically, I have an ad just over there > for a necklace where “your son” name is first and and “you daughter” is second!

Spurs kit size guide “Men’s, women’s, older boys, little kids, baby and toddler”.

Every single gift guide where gifts for her are boring make up stuff and the gifts for him are tool kits.

MrsSchadenfreude · 16/11/2019 09:44

I work in quite a niche, very male dominated area. I am often asked to speak at conferences, on an “expert” panel, and am always the only woman. There are usually only about five women in the audience and about 200 men. The other male panellists get serious, relevant questions. I get about three times as many questions as the other panellists, but most of these are trying to trip me up - as if I couldn’t possibly know what I am talking about. It is ALWAYS the young men, too. Usually PhD students. The other week I got “You said X, but I don’t think that’s quite right, is it? I think what you meant was blah blah blah.” I suggested that next time he took my place, as he clearly knew so much more than me - and then destroyed what he said.

Oh and on these panels, which are generally done on seniority, I am always the last speaker. Because a student with a penis trumps a senior woman every time.

Sittinonthefloor · 16/11/2019 08:44

DHs friend last night made me think of this thread. 3 of us convo about brexit, election etc but he completely failed to do the alternate eye contact thing you need to do in a 3 and looked at dh about 95% of the time. He did manage to look at me to explain that Saudi Arabia had found some “magic black stuff” and made lots of money. I’m a bloody geographer!

boatyardblues · 16/11/2019 08:35

Chilled larger is probably nicer in the half pint glass, it stays colder in the bottle than it does in the glass so you get to drink it at a better temperature

In which case, they should be giving everyone a half pint glass. 🙄

daisychain01 · 16/11/2019 08:34

Oops I meant having your nails done!

daisychain01 · 16/11/2019 08:33

@HeyNotInMyName

so in your opinion, what is the reasons for so many people, not jsut one or two that just happened to say that, to say to a woman it’s great to have a girl to be able to go an have your nails done together??

How about people have their own reasons that I don't know because I don't know them. Let me speculate - in general terms those people could just be saying it's nice to have a daughter to share common interests with. I go to the hairdressers with my DM and neither of us are doing it for men. We just enjoy having our hair washed and styled and it's nice being pampered.

The whole point is self-care can be about the feel good factor, to want to have your hair done, keep your skin nice, have your hair done etc. It's quite sad you feel the need to turn it into a micro-sexism comment, even if it was genuinely an innocuous casual 'throw-away', said without any intention to turn you and your daughter into airheads who just want to please men!

Magenta82 · 16/11/2019 08:29

Chilled larger is probably nicer in the half pint glass, it stays colder in the bottle than it does in the glass so you get to drink it at a better temperature

boatyardblues · 16/11/2019 08:17

When we got to our local curry house DH and I both order a large bottle of Kingfisher or Cobra each with our meal. They bring him a pint glass and me a half pint laydee glass, so I’ve taken to ordering “a large bottle of x and a pint glass.”

HeyNotInMyName · 16/11/2019 07:38

Another one
DH took my car to the garage for some repair. Followed on with said garage on what was going how, when the car would be ready and the price.
And I then went to pick the car. The guy looked at me an said ‘oh well, actually I hadn’t done my prices right so now it’s £xxx’ which was a couple of hundred pounds more than what he had told my DH an hour before. Shock. When reminded of what he had said, he denied and said that was that.
Strangely enough we’ve never taken the car back to him ever again....

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