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Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

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MrsSnippyPants · 12/11/2019 00:47

Fresh thread in case part 2 fills up overnight.
I am yet to receive a reply to my third email, have been furiously tweeting, and as am now pursuing the options available to me as a shareholder.
Still crossing fingers for John Lewis!

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TheBullshitGoesOn · 12/11/2019 22:45

Just caught up on these threads.

Eww. Just eww.

I've always bought my undercrackers as supermarket multipacks thank fuck. But I'm seriously creeped out by these revelations.

Justabaker · 12/11/2019 22:29

Do you think we could get someone at Mark's Suspenders to read this?

Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat
TimeLady · 12/11/2019 22:23

CriticalCondition

Email sent. Thanks

CriticalCondition · 12/11/2019 22:14

Good work Numbers, that made me laugh!
If anyone wants to draw the omission of sex from the M&S equality policies to the attention of their legal department, Nick Folland appears from the corporate website to be their head of legal.
[email protected]

theflushedzebra · 12/11/2019 22:13

I can see "swhittle becoming a verb:

Swittle : verb

  • 1) to sneak legislation in through the back door and show glee that "no one threw a fit in the press".
  • 2) to amend company and and/or organisations' Equality Policy through the back door via stealth diversity training sessions.
Silencedwitness · 12/11/2019 22:13

Is there a thread about where not to shop?

I mentioned this to my mum who didn’t like it but accused me of ramming it down her throat Hmm even when I said I didn’t want gifts from there. I cannot believe the rights of pervs trump women.

theflushedzebra · 12/11/2019 22:08

Happy to shop at John Lewis if what the Manager she spoke to said was true.

TimeLady · 12/11/2019 22:07

Only thing I can find on the John Lewis site is this page about diversity and inclusion

We positively celebrate diversity & inclusion in the John Lewis Partnership. Truly embracing individuals contributions, regardless of their age, gender, ethnicity, disability, sexuality, social background, religion or belief. Having a diverse and inclusive business is vital for our future success and that’s why it is at the heart of our ultimate purpose; the happiness of all our Partners.

www.jlpjobs.com/about/diversityandinclusion/

Gender instead of sex again. Looks as though they've drunk the Koolaid too, I'm afraid

There's a GEN (Gender Equality Network) focuses on gender equality. It empowers Partners to overcome barriers and be more involved in Gender topics outside of their day job

and a Pride in the Partnership was the first network to develop in the Partnership and supports the LGBTQ+ community and their allies. They are focused on enriching the happiness of Partners through increased visibility and support. They regularly attend and celebrate Pride events across the UK

so I'll be amazed if that manager's suggestion of single-sex fitting rooms comes to anything, tbh

SirVixofVixHall · 12/11/2019 22:02

Women all over Britain need to get behind this. If enough women stopped shopping there, even agreed to stop for one specific full week, they would lose millions.

TimeLady · 12/11/2019 21:53

WrathofSIxFootSlxElf

swhittled

Love it Grin

WrathofSIxFootSlxElf · 12/11/2019 21:37

If this legal detail is pointed out to them, they might, just might start backing down.

I'm sure they don't really want a legal challenge do they?

You can't wriggle out of this one M&S.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/11/2019 21:37

Same. If JL pledge to keep a single sex space for women, then I will buy from them instead. My nearest JL is over two hours away, but I visit when in the city and buy online. So far I have spent far more money at Mark’s Suspenders, but I will shop at JL instead if they value my custom.

Nousernameforme · 12/11/2019 21:32

I don't spend loads in M&S but I get my christmas pjs for the kids and the fancy christmas shop. Oh also the school uniform in the summer. If John Lewis are reconsidering their policies I will switch to them for the jimmers and waitrose for the fancy shop.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/11/2019 21:25

Imagine if they removed disability, or race, there would be uproar
Yes, and rightly so. Yet sex can be removed and replaced by the meaningless “gender” . I find it sinister.

CeridwenTheWitch · 12/11/2019 21:18

Haha I love it Numbers we should arrange choirs to sing this outside every M&S!

Yes and also, aren't they breaking the law by removing sex as a protected characteristic?

Imagine if they removed disability, or race, there would be uproar. The contempt shown for women makes me so incredibly angry.

WrathofSIxFootSlxElf · 12/11/2019 21:10

TimeLady
Thanks for the information, I also missed that in the earlier thread.
It is important information so I will repeat it again.

Marks and Spencer are misquoting the law
Marks and Spencer are misquoting the Equality Act

Sex is a protected characteristic in law but has been omitted in the M&S policy.

This is no mystery as we all know this has been done deliberately in the hope that no one notices

This document has been swhittled.

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/11/2019 21:07

Numbers Grin

theflushedzebra · 12/11/2019 21:05

and guess what....the protected characteristic sex is missing, replaced, surprise surprise, by gender.

Age  Religion or belief  Ethnic or national origin  Marital or civil partner status  Hours of work  Sexual orientation  Race  Gender  Disability  Colour  Gender reassignment  Nationality  Pregnancy/maternity

Yup - this is in breach of the Equality Act - the protected characteristic is sex.

I know a lot of women on here/twitter were going around checking local council's Equality policies, and getting them changed.

And yes, you can bet those policies have been written by someone who has had the Stonewall training.

They want sex replaced by "gender identity" as the end result - thus completely erasing the legal protections of biological women,

Rachelsfatarse · 12/11/2019 20:53

Since going down the GC rabbit hole over a year ago I’ve spent a lot of time checking various bodies for their Equality Policy, councils, sporting bodies etc and every single once that quotes the Equality Act incorrectly had had training from Stonewall or Gendered Intelligence. It’s almost like someone has misled told these organisations that sex isn’t a protected characteristic and the organisations are too lazy or male to even check and just cut and paste their polices direct from their training literature.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 12/11/2019 20:27

Great work, numbers!

TheChampagneGalop · 12/11/2019 20:21

Numbers Grin

Justabaker · 12/11/2019 20:14

Outstanding work @NumbersStation

Akire · 12/11/2019 20:14

numbers for Xmas number 1 Grin

Joisanofthedales · 12/11/2019 20:12

Thank you numbers. I was feeling sick and you cheered me up. Smile

Joisanofthedales · 12/11/2019 20:06

Wow it's true. The reviews of knickers by men had the highest number of likes and were so agp. This made me feel like I needed a shower. As an ex Sam I should be used to it but it seems that I'm not. I wish I didn't know so many men are basically perves :(