Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

They could have one of those fair ground displays “If you are taller than me you can’t ride change here”

That bra review is🤢

God some of these things are so basic. Wasnt it on a Twitter thread about the mens changing rooms being different. Floor to ceiling petitions.

So how could they not remember the rooms.are different , and why they built them differently

Even if they delete them, I can't unread those reviews and that six pack with cotton gussets can no longer be quite such a mundane purchase.

Brand image.....

H'mm, it'd be interesting to see if they have moderators.....

Is the implication that other concerns such as men going into women’s changing rooms or trying on underwear aren’t valid concerns?

The implication seems to be that they haven't fully thought through their decision if something like that is news to them.

But we already knew that. And to be fair to M&S, they're not the first to show a total lack of understanding that maybe women might be affected by their change in policy. See the missing/possibly non-existant Welsh impact assessment and others.

You can add a name some are real some are like Lovenix

Is there scope for some rogue reviews here... Are they anonymous?

I’m surprised you got a reply saying it was a valid concern, maybe someone was off guard. How can that be Genuine when all others are not?

That bra review, really anyone starting underwear review with whooooo should be deleted. It’s like write your own porn section on Marks Suspenders (so love then new name) I wonder if I write a review for bog standard black socks then include detail of how well they go with my red panties and bra and whooooo. Would they publish that?

It would be good to see M&S use male models showing off their 'curves' in these products, and see how that goes with sales to women...

I can't imagine who else might want to buy a Firm Control Floral Embroidered Traditional Longline Bra. I'm assigning that to my Lingerie for Men section.

TheKrakening3 fast response - bit concerned that they wrote ‘This is a valid concern*. Is the implication that other concerns such as men going into women’s changing rooms or trying on underwear aren’t valid concerns?

As an aside M&S boycott still going strong and I used to buy a lot of food there. Christmas food order will go elsewhere unless they change their policy.

If m&s can’t deal with inappropriate behaviour on their own website I have no confidence inappropriate behaviour will be dealt with in store changing rooms. I’ve seen countless reviews like the attached, am appalled. A couple of reviews read like the underwear didn’t fit so they’ve returned for another size. I imagine the returned goods have been sold to another customer....
I’ve joined the boycott.

Quick response from M and S about the issue of men being able to easily see over the top of cubicles due to their greater height. Will see what further responses say.

Sorry if it's already been posted by anyone else who got a reply via email enquiring but its safe to shop at Debenhams!! They've confirmed they're single sex and anyone who feels uncomfortable can request access to the disabled!

@mummyoflittledragon Archie Norman is on the board of Target Australia not USA. But - he must be aware of what’s happening within the retail industry and the business risks presented by mixed sex changing rooms. It’s all sinister.

This is a very comprehensive analysis of autogynephilia. It’s a long read and frightening but insightful. Depressing. medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

@Mummyoflittledragon

Yes this whole thing is outrageous. I have messaged M and S too, as the low walls of women’s changing rooms is just another reason why this is a bad idea. They are designed for the height of an average woman, not an average man.

@theflushedzebra
Idk if it is wilfully naive tbh judging by the reviews. And also seeing as the Chairman, Archie Norman also sits on the board at Target in the US, my guess is there is no naivety about it. Did you read the hidden camera case in a Target changing room posted on a previous thread?

I’m the same age as you with an 11 yo. If my body were filmed I’d be less angry. When you’ve been through all the procedures I have, it dullens the embarrassment somewhat. My dd otoh. Or anyone else for that matter, I’d be apoplectic.

@TheKrakening3
Thank you for posting this information. I’m floored. It never even occurred to me that the cubicle heights were so low that men could just see over the top. That puts an even more sinister twist on things.

I’m not well enough to go and measure the changing room cubicle height in my local M&S. Is anyone willing to take a tape measure, record the height and write to M&S again? Lingerie changing room height also very useful.

My M&S has recently had a refit in the changing area so I’d like to know this myself. I’ll go and measure when I’m well enough btw although idk when that will be....

I think a mobile phone could be easily held both under and over an M&S cubicle.

I don't recommend anyone do this - but if one were to look at pornhub, one would see a plethora of spy footage of women changing, taken by stealth in changing rooms. Some is doubtless faked, some is real. People actually do this and upload the video onto porn sites.

I doubt anyone's that interested in my 48 yr old, post-3-children body (although you never bloody know) - but my 11yr old, developing daughter? They definitely would be - now and in years to come.

M&S are being wilfully naive about this.

Krakening - yes, women over 6ft are rare. Men, not so much.

Thank you for your post - can you please write that to M&S. Certainly, the M&S cubicles I've been in may have lockable doors, but they are not overly high (or low). Evidence that men of around 6ft could easily see over them, and see a reflection of the woman next door in the mirror, should not be ignored by M&S.

Bless you for being so considerate @TheKrakening3

I would rather see a woman’s head over the top of a changing room than being unable to see a bloke who also adopts a crouch bent knee thing for entirely different reasons...

And I’ll bet you don’t grunt

I’m over six feet tall which is unusual for a woman. When I go to changing rooms, I can almost always see straight over the top into the next cubicle. I can also look straight into the mirror in the next cubicle which shows me the entire reflection of the woman changing next to me. Because I don’t want to make people uncomfortable, I always have changed sitting down or in a crazy knees bent position.

It is not uncommon at all for a man to be over six feet tall. Does anyone really think that a man, trying on women’s underwear , is going to give a shit about the comfort of the woman in the next cubicle who he will be able to easily see? Even if he is not intentionally looking at her, if he’s over six foot like me he will see her and she will see him.

M&S has a 20% off weekend this weekend. Hoping the story hits the Mail in time and upsets the loyalists. Normally I'd be buying a load of Xmas presents with the 20% off but not this time. I have just found a load of matching Frozen 2 items on Peacocks website at a fraction of the M&S price anyway