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Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

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MrsSnippyPants · 12/11/2019 00:47

Fresh thread in case part 2 fills up overnight.
I am yet to receive a reply to my third email, have been furiously tweeting, and as am now pursuing the options available to me as a shareholder.
Still crossing fingers for John Lewis!

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jenthelibrarian · 13/11/2019 18:50

Every so often I get M&S questionnaires via email, somehow I've got myself onto some sort of customer panel.
They send a load of pics of products and you have to rate them.
There is always a space for your own comments.
Would it be very bad of me to copy/paste the form letter into them?
There might not be room for the whole thing, and I might just be irritating some marketing company....

Redshoeblueshoe · 13/11/2019 18:40

I know that no one on here would want to waste any ones time, but my local Marks Suspenders have several vacancies for Christmas temps.
Although I have plenty of free time and I live very near a large M&S

MamaToTheBabyBears · 13/11/2019 17:45

Maybe they have realised which side their bread is buttered?

I can only presume so! They've certainly changed their tune compared to thread linked.

BouquetOfRoses · 13/11/2019 17:12

Thanks LittleDragon. I was picturing something like y-front. So are people thinking this is to make it more comfortable for men? If so I've just peak-transed yet again......

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/11/2019 16:03

Bouquet
Look at the inside of your knickers. The gusset is the extra piece of soft fabric sewn on the inside in between your legs.

On some knickers this is seen in on all 4 sides. On other knickers, it is open toward the front. This is the opening we are referring to.

BouquetOfRoses · 13/11/2019 15:56

I'm also confused by the gussets being unstitched issue? Does this mean some retailers are selling women's pants that open at the front? I've never seen this

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/11/2019 15:52

Maybe they have realised which side their bread is buttered?

Wouldn't that be amazing?!

HepzibahGreen · 13/11/2019 15:37

I was going by the email a pp had. Maybe they have realised which side their bread is buttered?

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/11/2019 14:19

I thought it was established on the last thread that Debenhams are allowing men in the women’s. The thread linked is January of this year.

Akire · 13/11/2019 14:13

Not been for a good while but Debenhams have lots of smaller areas don’t they. So Evans or Dorthy Perkins, principles etc have their Own little corner. I wonder if their rooms are different from main store policy ?

HepzibahGreen · 13/11/2019 14:13

I like their Frost French swimwear too actually.

MamaToTheBabyBears · 13/11/2019 14:08

@YourOpinionIsNoted That was my understanding too and ditto, I'll be consciously choosing to support them now.

MamaToTheBabyBears · 13/11/2019 14:06

Officially, isn't sex biology and gender being self declared fulfilment of sexist gender stereotypes? If that's not the case I will send a follow-up email.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/11/2019 14:06

My (optimistic) reading of that is that a transwoman who didn't want to use the men's changing rooms wouldn't have to, they could use the separate disabled changing room, buy they wouldn't be able to use the women's.

I haven't been in a Debenhams for years. Time to change that I think.

Akire · 13/11/2019 13:54

Yes single sex could well mean I am a women regardless. Why would you need to use Disabled changing room “if anyone is uncomfortable with our policy”. Unless it’s man who wants use ladies and being told no men’s or Disabled.

littlecabbage · 13/11/2019 13:46

Or for knickers "Had to order online because it was the only way to be sure that the items hadn't been tried on and potentially masturbated into" with links to reviews from men.

But ordering online does not keep you safe either - how do you know your online purchases weren't ordered and then returned by another customer?

I am cautiously pleased about Debenhams, but I thought I had previously heard differently, so will email them to check when I have time.

MamaToTheBabyBears · 13/11/2019 13:10

Part of the email Debenhams head office below, Debenhams have my custom! Leading the way with single sex changing rooms (although this feels ridiculous to say leading the way, they should always be single sex!)

I can confirm that our changing rooms are single sex, with private cubicles, some have doors with locks others have curtains.
......

We do not discriminate on gender nor religion, if a customer is uncomfortable with our policy they can request access to our separate disabled changing room, or try on at home and return unwanted items within our returns policy.

Sexnotgender · 13/11/2019 13:01

I’m not sure about Debenhams, I’m sure there was something in the paper about them a few months ago.

HepzibahGreen · 13/11/2019 12:50

It's good if Debenhams have single sex dressing rooms as I buy bras from them. Their Gorgeous range T Shirt bras are good. They really need the custom too.

TimeLady · 13/11/2019 12:44

Think of it as a little pocket, Chicken.

Or a finger in a glove....

happydappy2 · 13/11/2019 12:42

Is a real eye opener how many of the reviews of many different styles of knickers are written by men, describing how they love the feel & fit of their new panties. I have started reporting as inappropriate but there are just TOO MANY.

ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans · 13/11/2019 12:34

I am still not sure I get the gusseted thing and if I don't know what I will get if I google it.

Is the assertion that M&S knickers are designed to stretch in places where women don't need stretch?

And that this may be deliberate in order to facilitate some Men / some Trans women wearing them?

It does seem like a bit of a rabbit hole to me and I am not convinced. But, I am equally pleased that I have been buying multi-pack cotton Bridget Jones style underwear for years.

TimeLady · 13/11/2019 12:16

"The things a girl has to do to prevent a VPL."

PocketDictionary · 13/11/2019 12:05

Datun Not putting a link but tucked in backwards 'technique'.
"Sweetheart this is going to take some practise on your part and in the beginning it may hurt a bit. You will have to have to take your penis and testes and fold them back between your legs toward your rear. In the beginning its going to hurt like a bitch if you get a hard on. But if this is something you really want you can do it."

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