Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

Re hampers- you could make up your own ( if you have time and not having to post).I go to a couple of farm shops - supports local business too.

John Lewis sell lots of different hampers. There are also a number of specialist hamper companies all with hamper in their name.

Does anyone know who does good xmas hampers? I usually buy a few from Marksies for my elderly relatives, but need an alternative this year.

They haven’t replied to my follow up email either. Odd...

I can't see even their male customer liking this, other than the Wanking Men. My dad is 71 and would be horrified if women started wandering into the changing room when he was in there.

Can’t believe their whole business model for 90% of their customer base is Now now stop making a fuss we are not changing. Apart from those popping into food court for sandwich, who do they think is in their stores day in day out and buying for whole household?

I am also coming back hoping for the replies to be revealed.

I will be seriously pissed off if they think by not acting on their customer's concerns, this might blow over.

They've misquoted the Equality Act by missing out a protected characteristic.

Mountain Warehouse do good thermals, both Merino wool & man made fibres. They start doing offers as the season progresses.

I've sent three emails, got the standard cut and paste response to the first and nothing to the next two. Planning on continuing to email every week until something changes.

I keep coming back to this thread in the hope of reading M&S replies to your emails.

Maybe today will be the day...

I'm also on one of those Marks' panel doo-dahs. I am most annoyed at their thoughtlessness and casual dismissal of the safety of the women who not only work for them but make up their core customer base.

I got a questionaire last week so all my answers to the 5 or 6 items went thus, with 'hate it' for 'what do you think?' and £0 for 'what would you pay?'

The answer on each 'Why do you think that' type question is as follows- Apologies for the text, writing isn't really a skill of mine these days -
"Do you know M&S, I'm not sure I care at the moment. Clarify your policy on changing rooms.
I do not want to try on a bra, nightwear or anything else in a cubicle next to someone with a functioning penis who just happens to feel like a lady on that particular day.
This will become an autogynephiles' paradise and very unsafe for girls, women and people with true gender dysphoria. It has been shown that mixed changing rooms are very unsafe for women.
The women who are your core customers.
Add a family change section, that's great, but keep the separate Male and Female changing rooms. If people with xy chromosomes wish to try on ladies' underwear, they should be safe to do so in the mens' section and not involve unwilling women in their fetishes."

Thankfully I usually buy the multipack sealed big knickers - shudder - Sainsbo's are a good alternative as the Asda ones don't last as long in the wash.

I also had a basket full to purchase and lots of vouchers, but they have lost my custom until they have a rethink - I will hunt out the wonderful Jean Hatchet expose and post it on FB as friends use the stores she visited.

PocketDictionary
Yes it was an eye-opening episode from big brother with the drag artist that educated me

That was Courtney Act (caught in the act) he was a drag queen and was great. I think he went on to win CBB.

Definitely a man, he demonstrated how he tucked it all underneath.

He was hilariously clever and honest.

I've always gone to Marks for my thermals out of habit, like people do for knickers. Helly Hansen and Uniqlo look like better products to be fair.
Buying men's is a good idea although I feel there's some sort of irony there.

I get the mens thermals as they come higher up the waiste and the tops come lower down the body so less of a chance of getting a freezing midriff.

aldi do thermals but only once per year so not much good if you have missed them.

Another vote for Uniqlo's heat tech, better than M& thermals anyway imo since the fit on a lot of M&S stuff is odd and the Uniqlo versions are warmer.

Thanks for the recommendations, should be able to find something amongst those to keep toasty.

M&S made the mistake of asking me how well I felt my criticism had been dealt with. I have given them 0/10, 0/10 and both barrels about their policy.

Ewww, ewww about Pervy men and knickers.

@Scarscar Uniqlo heat tech are my favourite, they come in warm and Very Warm Indeed, whole range of options and colours.

scar Helly Hanson is your friend. They came highly recommended for my daughters DofE gold, they are supremely light but hard wearing, and very warm.

She has had them for many years now, and they still look great.

Aldi have some thermal base layers in at the moment

Not yet I don’t think. Feel free to start one!

Is there a thread somewhere to help find M&S alternatives? I've searched but I can't find one, and am in need of some new thermal base layers. Damn straight I won't be buying them from M&S anymore.

Yes it was an eye-opening episode from big brother with the drag artist that educated me.

Thanks PocketDictionary. All very weird.