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Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

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MrsSnippyPants · 12/11/2019 00:47

Fresh thread in case part 2 fills up overnight.
I am yet to receive a reply to my third email, have been furiously tweeting, and as am now pursuing the options available to me as a shareholder.
Still crossing fingers for John Lewis!

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WrathofSIxFootSlxEIf · 15/11/2019 09:13

I will be watching M&S to see if they delete any lingerie reviews.
If they leave those reviews up, I'd consider that an act of defiance by M&S.

What sort of business would leave reviews like that up in the face of this level of criticism? .

Clean it up M&S, we are watching you.

WrathofSIxFootSlxEIf · 15/11/2019 09:06

Justabaker
Great link on women's sport.

VinandVigour · 15/11/2019 08:26

Justabaker the graphics on that link, couldn’t be any more jaw dropping. How can the IOC see this happening and think this is a) OK and b) women are going to accept this.

They want our spaces, our places, our college scholarships, our jobs, our places on women only short lists, our privacy, our company, our toilets, our gyms, our changing rooms. For their own private gain or satisfaction.

This ⬆️

Justabaker · 15/11/2019 07:52

I know this in particular is off the M&S topic but its a jaw dropper. You can't forget once you've seen it. No it's not a dude in frilly knickers. But it's about women's sports.

Do we want our DDs to be active and sporty? Sports are categorised by sex for a reason. This link shows how high school boys (18 and under) would compete against the women gold medal winners in 2016 Olympics in athletics and swimming.

boysvswomen.com/#/

They want our spaces, our places, our college scholarships, our jobs, our places on women only short lists, our privacy, our company, our toilets, our gyms, our changing rooms. For their own private gain or satisfaction.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 15/11/2019 07:48

Good news - so far the Pervy Pigs thread is still standing, with some new people on this morning who are pretty horrified by the M&S policy and the reviews on the website. Hopefully that's pulled a few more people into the m&s boycott.

If it was you, M&S PR bods, cheers! You've done us a real favour there. waves

Dreichdrizzle · 15/11/2019 07:26

I wonder if female employees who see "gender" being promoted as a protected characteristic in their workplace would be able to complain about discrimination. I don't have a gender, only a sex, which is protected, but which companies apparently aren't protecting.

Justabaker · 15/11/2019 07:21

Hi all.

I'm not saying the tide is turning against the woke bros and those who enable them. However, there are those attempting to burst the lovely iridescent soap bubble that TRA lobby has created. I may get banned for some of the things that I'm going to post but if so, I'll be back and I will find all of you.

But, anything we can do to draw attention to, support, challenge those who want to support what we are seeking - appropriate application of the Equal Rights Act - is going to be a net positive.

I do not identify as Lab Con LibDem Green or Monster Loony. Just posting good material here.

An organisation in Canada is fighting back against the erosion of sex based rights in Canada . www.jccf.ca/ .

Mockery is a great tool against outrageous ideas.

Woman has taken her employer to tribunal after she asserts she was fired for expressing gender critical beliefs. It's in the torygraph but the link worked for me. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/13/tax-expert-lost-job-transphobic-tweet-takes-case-employment/

Working for women - womansplaceuk.org/

And the Guardian has very cautiously dipped a toe in loo water. Ha ha. Terrible pun but here's the piece on toilets.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/14/queue-ladies-loo-feminist-issue-public-toilets

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/11/2019 06:12

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3743930-M-and-S-male-changing-room-assistant-odd-or-not another M&S thread. This time about male attendants at changing rooms.

Akire · 14/11/2019 23:36

Is there anywhere else this sort of thing can be talked about ? Or is it just Facebook groups. I don’t really use Facebook.

littlecabbage · 14/11/2019 23:35

Okay, I see. Depressing that we have to.

WrathofSIxFootSlxEIf · 14/11/2019 23:34

How do we do a head count though?
Tricky but we've had a collective 'check in' thread before.

There will be names missing.

littlbrowndog · 14/11/2019 23:31

Pervy pigs

Awesome 😂😂😂

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 23:29

I'm not sure what earned the deletion on the pig thread. Was it because it had transwomen in quotation marks?

The first deletion on the thread is one I reported as spam, it was a "I'm so kooky and crazy and I am just so addicted to pigs" post.

Dreichdrizzle · 14/11/2019 23:28

Some of them are cross-dressers and transvestites to be accurate.

Dreichdrizzle · 14/11/2019 23:27

If I go, I'd just like to say I've tried very, very hard to stay within the Mumsnet rules. But we have to be able to talk about what is actually happening in the real world, and to talk about what that means for women.

The people at Unique say themselves that they are cross-dressers and transvestites.

littlecabbage · 14/11/2019 23:27

How do we do a head count though?

WrathofSIxFootSlxEIf · 14/11/2019 23:24

No wonder M&S are staying put, they've invested way too far in this.

WrathofSIxFootSlxEIf · 14/11/2019 23:22

Deletions are occurring.
A head count needed tomorrow.

Daughterofmabel · 14/11/2019 23:19

Absolute, solid gold idiots
Yep. This is much much worse than I thought

Akire · 14/11/2019 23:19

Don’t know how I’m going get through Xmas dinner without laughing now what with all pigs in wanklets.

HumberHellraiser · 14/11/2019 23:17

Hmmm Percy AGPig is not going down well.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/11/2019 23:17

😁

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 23:17

PR, must stop typing quickly on a smartphone.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 23:16

Indeed. Nothing like a bit of consciousness raising, especially if it was a mark's suspenders or bot running the thread. Grin

Akire · 14/11/2019 23:15

Well hopefully few more people have decided to check out the links and see how wrong they are (spoiler- they are in for a shock)