Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

Chilling to think that M & S and John Lewis will make that man specially welcome in the women's changing rooms. I wonder which Wimbledon shop changing room he filmed the woman in her underwear in - there's certainly an M & S there?

Is there anywhere we know we can go to try on clothes in a single-sex space? I'd love to support them - and tell them why.

I am so so angry and pissed off at this.

Justabaker: The pharmaceutical expert from Surrey claims his business has been ruined

Ahhh. My heart bleeds for him.

This. This is what men do in mixed sex changing rooms.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6796451/Surrey-father-two-jailed-posting-46-upskirt-videos-London-Underground-adult-website.html

For whatever good it might do, I've emailed John Lewis, specifically the Managing Director of JL, [email protected]
and added in Chairman of JL Partnership [email protected]

also Director of Personnel of JL Partnership [email protected]

and finally Deputy Chairman of JL Partnership [email protected]

I added the Director of Personnel due to the vulnerable position that shop floor partners may well be put in.

Although John Lewis is not an everyday shop for me, it's 2 hours at least to the nearest, but waitrose is only a 10 minute walk and I spend soooo much money in there, not least tonight's pizza, salad and birthday cake, it will be so hard to add them to my boycott list.

But like a previous poster said, I bear a grudge - some boycotts gave lasted decades, and my dds are carrying them on.

TimeLady

I read somewhere that Debenhams were still okay. Is that true?

I emailed them today to ask. Not holding my breath for the response though.

Spotted Pervy in Morrison's today

www.orchardtoys.com/buy/pigs-in-pants_22.htm

You could be right, they think name and loyalty will make up the difference in safety and women’s rights.

Sadly I think even if they ever did make a concession and offer a female sex only space broom cupboard in the loading bay. There would still be some people who want that space and not leave it be until there was no third option at all. But I can’t even see the broom cupboard being a possibility any time soon.

Sad thing is for Disabled people they will have even less of a choice as smaller and independent shops are far less accessible and in many cases not accessible at all. Sadly this is not on trend or top of anyone’s to do list nor is likely to do in my life time.

The timing of this is feeling suspicious to me now. If M&S already knew that other similar companies had similar policies (would have been easy enough for them to find out) then maybe they announced this right before Christmas on the principle that, well, women will need to buy gifts somewhere, and when we start asking around we'll find that there are no alternatives with guaranteed to be Wanking Men free changing rooms.

I think they are hoping that all other retailers will follow suit, and that as women will need to shop somewhere, they won’t lose much business.

This would have been unthinkable only a decade ago. I am furious at the total lack of regard for their female customers .

oh no, not you JL
soon we will be weaving our clothes and grow own produce/ raise livestock
Not bad for the planet I suppose.

I popped over to the men's underwear department (online!) just to look at the reviews on there and my heart skipped a beat when the first few reviewers were female. Thankfully they were saying things like they wash well and my son finds these comfy. Phew

@boatyardblues TBH I was surprised to see male reviews of these particular knickers - one female reviewer described them as a bit Bridget Jones

Is this all some cynical ploy to drive women more into shopping online, which has fewer overheads for the company ?

Inclusion has nothing to do with booting a whole group out to make room for another. Nobody is saying don’t make a new space and see what happens but you can’t just force people to use spaces and think people will just go along with it because “everyone else is doing it”.

Women have said time and time ago we have money to spend just give us some place we can use, if they go under it be on their own heads.

Meanwhile I’ve been looking at Sainsbury’s for Xmas gifts, pjs slippers etc lots of very nice stuff.

I'm so disappointed. I have returned everything to M&S and told them why. I have cancelled my account card.

I don't spend much with M&S generally but I do with JLP. They are my primary credit card and I spend over a grand a month on it. About half of that is in JL or Waitrose. I'm so, so pissed off. Don't they care that their primary source of income must be women like me? Tossers

I read somewhere that Debenhams were still okay. Is that true?

Ffs. Why don’t they just make some man shaped scanties and put them in with the boxers..I suppose that wouldn’t give the same frisson for these men though.
Is this partly due to their links with that transvestite org ?

putting policy into practice, as a co-owned business we ensure that all of our Partners understand their responsibilities and exercise their judgement appropriately

So you put the policy in place, then tell the partners (your staff in other words) they’d better do as they’re told upholding your slippery-as-shit policy or else [“insert some misrepresentation of Equality Act threat here”]

I contacted [email protected]

I have to say, I’ve been away from MN for about 8 years as my elder DD is now 10 and I basically hang out with our MN ante-natal discussion group on facebook instead (still about 15 of us regularly in touch ) but the feminist chat has pulled me back in. I had no idea how bad things were getting, and with two daughters it’s a scary enough world without all this other crap going on too. Forewarned is forearmed!

I've just been reporting some male reviews of M&S knickers as inappropriate and came across one asking for the gusset to be made wider!!

Stealth boast? 🤮

I'm so disappointed with JL. That's where I buy all my clothes using click and collect. Probably good for me to reign it in spending wise anyway. I'll write to them anyway just to add to the numbers but I feel like only a drop in sales will convince them to find space for those who'd like a non binary changing room. Though I suspect even if they did that the non womb holders would still self id their way into the women's. Sigh.

I've just been reporting some male reviews of M&S knickers as inappropriate and came across one asking for the gusset to be made wider!!

This is news to me, to save me much scrolling can someone pretty please give me a jl email so I can vent my anger. Ta.

When they say they 'consulted with stakeholders' I'm left wondering who those stakeholders actually were. I can imagine who, and it wasn't the regular adult human females of this world.