Labour women's declaration on sex-based rights

I've signed. I don't know if it will make any difference, and I'm sad and angry that such obvious stuff now needs to be said. But I'm still very glad to see it. It's just gone over 2,000 signatures, well done to the organisers.

Not far off 2,000 signatories. That was quick.

Great!

It isn't really relevant to this thread, I suppose Shona, but thank you for the links. When I tried Googling earlier it kept coming up with Venezuela stuff from earlier in the year. As normal there are two sides to the story. It is hard when you don't know what to believe and don't trust anyone to be telling the truth....

Oakmaiden

*@ShonaAndTheWaterHorse
You will be happy with, for example, Corbyn's show of solidarity today with another South American Marxist?

More info?

It's readily available but here you go.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/11/raab-attacks-corbyn-over-support-for-ousted-bolivian-leader-evo-morales

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/evo-morales-anger-at-jeremy-corbyns-support-for-ousted-bolivian-leftwinger-xjmm8jgcz

Corbyn is a dangerous, stupid man driven by Marxist ideology. The self-id part is only a minuscule part of why he should never be PM.

And one in the Scotsman:

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/row-over-tension-between-women-s-and-trans-rights-divides-scottish-labour-1-5044173

Article in Holyrood magazine:

www.holyrood.com/news/view,labour-party-activists-launch-new-womens-rights-petition-in-light-of-gra-re_14708.htm

I got an out of office from my MP with a link to a contact email address, so it’s worth a try

Great letter Oak. Shame they are all going NC - an odd time to decide to do that since election time is sure to lead to lots of reasonable questions from the electorate. I'll send a version to my MP anyway I think. Can't do any harm and might encourage them to think this through before they alienate any more women.

It’s very handy to press CLPs and candidates to sign up to

Because it’s completely reasonable and oh so revealing if they won’t

I fully expect to get the brush off from my local CLP women’s officer (she’s a non-man type), but once a candidate has been selected I’ll be in touch again

Signed.

Still won't be voting for the buggers until I see an official policy change, but it's good to raise awareness.

So what, they signed it. Good to know Lady Di remembers us from the other side.

OK so why all the funny names in the signatories? Is it being trolled by MRAs so as to discredit it? I guess it would stand to reason that if women are not allowed sex based rights they should also not be allowed to petition the Labour Party without interference from entitled men with mummy issues and their deluded handmaidens.

Yes they are trolling it. They hate it whenever we have anything for ourselves. Just look at how they targeted the LGB Alliance. They always show their true colours.

@ShonaAndTheWaterHorse
You will be happy with, for example, Corbyn's show of solidarity today with another South American Marxist?

More info?

OK so why all the funny names in the signatories? Is it being trolled by MRAs so as to discredit it? I guess it would stand to reason that if women are not allowed sex based rights they should also not be allowed to petition the Labour Party without interference from entitled men with mummy issues and their deluded handmaidens. Back in your boxes /the kitchen, women.

Well this is very encouraging!

I’m in a Labour/Tory marginal, the new Labour PPC has been parachuted in from elsewhere though, I’m following her on Twitter but can’t find a way to email her to ask about this. Are people going via their CLP?

Those on the ground know how discontented many women are with Labour, including former party members, so they launch this during the election campaign to convince us to stick with them

So if Labour roll back on self ID that makes it acceptable?

You will be happy with, for example, Corbyn's show of solidarity today with another South American Marxist?

Does this mean the Labour policy will change? That would be incredible

Not immediately, I suspect. I don't really think that the issue has been given full and proper consideration in the first place. There has been no open debate or discussion, and the consequences of parroting TWAW have not really been considered.

But this is a start. And it is good that people have openly printed their their names and positions, where applicable.

Over 1,000 now.

Oh.

Parliament has now been dissolved until the General Election. Therefore there are currently no Members of Parliament. Incoming emails to this account may be received and read, however this email address is only being used to respond to urgent constituency case work.

Well, that is unhelpful.

Whilst I am extremely grateful for all the women in the Labour Party who are doing the thankless and Herculean task of trying to turn their sexist TRA Party tanker around, I'm waiting for the Labour Party manifesto to come out before I make up my mind whether I can support them. The 2017 manifesto was a TRA Charter. I want to see MASSIVE changes before I'll consider voting for them again. Hopefully this Declaration will impact on the 2019 Labour Party manifesto

Hm. Just sent this to my local candidate.

Dear Sir,

I am finding it difficult to decide where to place my vote in the upcoming general election, as there are a small number of issues I feel very strongly about, and I have not yet found a party which I feel takes a moral, ethical and fair position on all of those issues. Since I am finding it hard to base my position along party lines, I have decided to delve more deeply into the voting and convictions of the particular party members who would be representing me.

I have been interested to note the recent publication of the Labour Women's Declaration www.ipetitions.com/petition/labour-womens-declaration regarding upholding women's sex based rights. I am aware that currently Labour's position is supportive of the gender recognition act and the right of trans people to self identify, and that this self identification should allow them access to the single sex facilities of their identified gender. I wondered if you would feel able to commit to supporting the call, made by the Labour Women's Group, to ensure that women's rights and freedoms are carefully considered and protected.

I feel I have to add that I of course support the right of any person to live and identify as any gender they wish, but feel it is important that a social gender choice is not confused with biological sex, and that the rights and safety of women and girls is considered when making changes to the laws of this country.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Regards,
Oak

When senior figures in the Labour Party recognise women’s sex-based rights, that will be the time to pay attention.

Agreed. It's all a little too late. They've shamed any woman speaking up for our sex based rights, condoned the harassment of the WPUK meeting, allowed men to take women's officer positions etc. The Labour Party in it's current form is no friend of women.

Find a few willing to be sacrifical lambs so that you can pretend that you secretly care about women's rights

Have a read of the listed original signatories, eh?