CBBC Has Fallen

The other day I heard about a Drag Queen called JonBenet Ramsey, after the 6 year old girl who was murdered. This was after the live abortion 'act' thing.

I used to think Lily Savage was funny. I've since gone off the idea.

I know I'm going to get Not All Drag Queens just like NAMALT and maybe I'm old fashioned but when men pretend to be women as a performance whilst taking the piss out of us and our trauma and out of dead kids I don't find it funny or even mildly entertaining.

Good choice, nauticant

I raise you Visage theflushedzebra

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPC8QJF6sI

Gender. All. Over. The. Fucking. Shop.

The first time I met my stepdad he had long hair, a moustache and was wearing a very long mauve crocheted cardigan This was late 70s.

*Woman. I am a woman, not plural

One of my fave original gender benders.

I know the young are prone to thinking they invented everything - but this really is ridiculous.

It makes me laugh, because my stepdad used to say stuff like that to me - he was an original hippy who was a teen/young adult in the swinging sixties

Signed, an old(ish) women

(bananarama wear baseball jacket, not 'base'...)

Here are some Bros fans - are they wearing drag?

Here are Banarama at the original live aid recording wearing jeans, sweatshirts, base and DMs.

Just look at Annie Lennox for example

That is not drag. It is just wearing clothes.

Princess Diana also wore a tuxedo. She also wasn't wearing drag.

I am currently wearing jeans and a t-shirt. I am not wearing drag.

'Drag' as a concept relies on the idea that some clothes are for men and some clothes are for women. It is a re-enforcement of gender stereotypes.

It turns out that Rose Collis possesses common sense, Adam All (fnarr!) is wishy washy, and Victoria Sin (fnarr!) is all about the gender fluid and the non-binary and how drags helps gay people

Annie Lennox is a fabulous gender non conforming singer.

Sexualising kids eg in drag shows or beauty pageants is not good.

The TV show, RuPaul's Drag Race, is half way through, so what do we think about drag queens these days? Do women see them as misogynistic or pure fun ? Historian and performer Rose Collis, drag king Adam All and artist Victoria Sin discuss

Well that sounds like a balanced panel. I wonder what they will conclude.

I know. Can’t say tho..

A gradual, relentless breaking down of standards, where will it end?

Don’t like ‘em. As a colleague discovered yesterday when he started his ‘get your engines started girl!’ routine at my desk. I wasn’t having a good day...

Woman's Hour today:

The TV show, RuPaul's Drag Race, is half way through, so what do we think about drag queens these days? Do women see them as misogynistic or pure fun ? Historian and performer Rose Collis, drag king Adam All and artist Victoria Sin discuss.

Although I feel like 'Aunt Polly' isn't an edgy enough name though these days...
Aunt Polyamorous?

My dd was telling me about this. She is 12. Her face ! Just horrified.

I'm totally waiting for the documentary on Mr Tumble's 'Drag Life' on Cbeebies. Following Justin as he becomes his 'authentic self' Aunt Polly.

Although I feel like 'Aunt Polly' isn't an edgy enough name though these days, it's neither hypersexualised nor misogynistic so they will have to have a think on that one....

Pop over to the Dog house and tell them you want a rescue dog but you have a baby so you want to be sure that you get one that doesn't bite and we'll see how varied the responses are.

Or Adoption - say you could give a good home to a neurotypical baby with no possibility of SEN.

Or tell Style and Beauty you liked that pink M and S dress last year.

Why are there so many Feminists in Feminism chat? It's a mystery.

he shouldn't be paraded on TV

I think that's pretty much the biggest problem Any child who is recorded, broadcast and held up for scrutiny. It's always been exploitative, it's becoming more and more so. What is online stays online, for ever.

And at what point does the public persona or 'brand' (no child should need or have either) start to influence and control the life of the child? Does the media demand more engaging content? How do they generate that? Can the child quit?

The feminist board is pretty much groupthink. The rest of mumsnet is a bit more varied.

That's because it's a specific board, you tend to get a lot of similar posters. It's like saying the SN section has a lot of "Issues with schools", or the Primary education section has "A load posts from the teachers point of view".

The feminist board is pretty much groupthink. The rest of mumsnet is a bit more varied.