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Janice Turner on feminists' support of strip clubs

39 replies

Igneococcus · 09/11/2019 07:22

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-have-fallen-for-the-strip-club-myth-vt3fm2vkv?shareToken=f50dd753cfda37d39219d56e744d25b7

Some depressing comments.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/11/2019 09:32

The women I see having a fag break outside spearmint rhino don’t look Empowered to me. They look cold, tired and fucked off.

ChattyLion · 09/11/2019 09:30

Wow that is such a brilliant article. Janice Turner Flowers

Also Sammy Woodhouse thank you for bravely sharing your experiences and supporting other women Flowers

I’ve lived and worked in areas with strip clubs. Absolutely horrible (and also unavoidable) when you has to go out around there after dark, alone or without a man in the group. The men who travelled from far to go these places would come out aggressively pumped up on (what I now know to call) sexual entitlement.

I would rage about what they were doing to all of the women living locally who had to either stay indoors or suffer this fear and offence constantly. No coincidence these places were usually in deprived areas where residents were less likely to kick up a fuss or be seen as important. But in otherwise wealthy city centres too- another example of women expected to just suck it up if they have the gall to be in public places unguarded by men. Sad

Absolutely nothing empowering about any of it.

nettie434 · 09/11/2019 09:18

these sex possie types bear as much resemblance to real feminism as Momentum does to the mainstream Labour voter (in fact typically they're the same bunch of people).

Yes! I never understand why they give companies like Spearmint Rhino a free pass when they would never do the same for a fast food chain or retailer.

ChattyLion · 09/11/2019 09:16

if ever a constituency needed a decent MP it's Rotherham. Labour - what the fuck are you doing?

As if people haven’t been sufficiently shown already, but this really shows the absolute depths of Labour not giving a shit about girls and women.

testing987654321 · 09/11/2019 09:05

I didn't realise that was the kind of nonsense Sheffield Feminists were fighting against. I know people who were exhausted trying to fight that licence being renewed.

LangCleg · 09/11/2019 08:51

Sammy Woodhouse is aghast that middle-class students believe lap-dancing clubs are empowering. Or that Sophie Wilson responded to Spearmint Rhino’s offer of a free night out as reward for saving their licence with an excited: “I’m up for it.” In response, Ms Wilson called Woodhouse — a Rother Valley voter — “SWERF trash”. It is hard to believe such an immature, insensitive person could be selected for a seat beset with complex problems. But the Rother Valley long-list compiled by Labour’s NEC excluded most local candidates. Ms Wilson was a Momentum choice.

Thank you, Janice, for pointing out that, in essence, this is a load of middle class girls not giving two shits about a society that uses working class girls in this way.

And, at election time, with women not wanting to vote for the Tories and austerity, but hesitant about voting Labour because it is profoundly anti-woman - thank you for reminding us that these vile clubs are the result of the Labour party's deregulation.

CarolCutrere · 09/11/2019 08:47

I was going to say that someone's really done a number on these young women

Well the , in my view, loathsome , overrated and misogynistic Margaret Atwood spouts the "stripping is empowering" garbage.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/11/2019 08:39

if ever a constituency needed a decent MP it's Rotherham. Labour - what the fuck are you doing?

This.

I just hope some of Janice's words gain traction with the “women can strip if they want to” dafties.

HandsOffMyRights · 09/11/2019 08:32

Thanks Janice.

There's a councillor in Sheffield, Neale Gibson, who has absolutely vilified GC feminists on Twitter and who supported the 'Burn T*RFS' posters.

He is is the director of an accounting firn, which is the secretary of a business called Escorts R Us among 150 other businesses. This placed him at the centre of investigations around his involvement with the licensing committee earlier this year.

More here: www.jusnews.net/stripping-the-licence-updates-on-the-campaign-to-close-sheffields-only-strip-club/

www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-councillor-involved-in-escorts-businessa-axeda-froma-committee-a-159542

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 09/11/2019 08:04

the other depressing theme is just how much momentum are betraying their core voters by fielding a 23 year old idiot

if ever a constituency needed a decent MP it's Rotherham. Labour - what the fuck are you doing?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 09/11/2019 08:04

The never ending "pick me" dance by women wanting men's approval continues, despite the fact they'll never get it.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 09/11/2019 07:52

brilliant article by Janice as always, but god that's a depressing read

the Spearmint Rhino feminists told Sheffield council that “stripping is a crucial drive in the feminist movement” and “plays a huge role in empowering women”

I was going to say that someone's really done a number on these young women, but I think to an extent we need to hold them responsible for their profoundly anti woman beliefs and actions. what i don't know is how to bring them to their senses

BarbaraStrozzi · 09/11/2019 07:44

It's a good article though it would have been nice if Janet had highlighted that there are differences of opinion within feminism between lib fem choicy-choice, sex-possie feminists and feminists whose central concern is defending women's rights and fighting against male violence.

The ingredients were there - women such as the wonderful and admirable Sammy Woodhouse. But it needs to be spelled out for her readership that these sex possie types bear as much resemblance to real feminism as Momentum does to the mainstream Labour voter (in fact typically they're the same bunch of people).

If I lived in the Rother Valley and Sammy wanted to stand, I'd pound the streets leafletting for her.

BadgertheBodger · 09/11/2019 07:43

Another brilliant article from JT