Stop Funding Hate and Mimmymum

The Speccie have been very protective of their controversial authors, including GC feminists, so I doubt they’ll give a shiny shit. Any advertisers will know what the Spectator stands for and who it’s audience is. The subscription model means it’s less reliant on advertisers anyway.

Douglas Murray and Lionel Shriver are both on the staff writer list, they recently participated in a Spectator organised talk critiquing identity politics.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ddBKQIomyYI

Megan Murphy is published more or less fortnightly in the American version, which seems to have started only AFTER she was banned from Twitter, so they know exactly what they are doing too.

spectator.us/author/meghan-murphy/

Mimmy mum is barking up the wrong tree this time.

Hey, Waterstones! I usually buy a coupla hundred quids worth of books from you at this time of year. Cave to this and I will come into store to choose titles and then order them from a different seller online instead. I won’t be the only one. The physical book store business can’t afford to alienate their core customers - I would imagine there is a fuck of a lot of crossover between Waterstones customers and Speccie readers.

Kolah. I'd def want the pie. That's pie not P.I.E.

In the US a lot of the megacorps take sides in the culture wars and it has led to this really bizarre situation, a bit like gendered nouns in French, where random things are republican or democrat and nobody quite knows why. Apparently hotdogs at a picnic are right wing. And so is fruit pie! Only last night my friend was saying, hilariously, why did we let them have PIE?! Strategic error there.

I think the same thing is bedding in here now. It's always been a bit like that but it's reifying.

Qcng
Pretending it's a left wing problem is being blinkered I don't think you get what I'm saying, it certainly wasn't that its only a left wing problem. I was expressing my frustration at the left calling on companies, advertisers, Twitter etc to stifle free speech on behalf of trans ideology under the banner of hate speech. In others words asking the capitalist machine that in any other circumstance they criticise as exploiters to be allies in silencing women.
Maria Miller's committee didn't have any dissenters on it.

Imnobody4
Gender critical feminists are constantly being smeared as "teaming with the Christian far right", the Heritage Foundation etc.

Gender Critical feminism can't be both "totalitarian left" and "fundamentalist Christian Right" at the same time, can it.

Imnobody4 well, quite, The right wing neo-liberals like the Tory party, the Blairites in the LP and other right wingers buy into trans ideology, because being anti-woman is par for the course.

It was right winger Tory Maria Miller who introduced and almost brought in Self-ID.

It's a cross party issue. Pretending it's a left wing problem is being blinkered.

Stop funding hate is basically promoting censorship, which is probably not what these companies want, ultimately.

Qcng
Hope not Hate, Amnesty, Anarchists etc, etc.
The only left wing organisations I can think of who aren't buying into this are Deep Green Resistance and the Communist Party.

imnobody4
TRAs aren't anti-capitalist
Most are bred in the USA, the most capitalist country out there. Most don't even know what left wing is, either.

I am so sick of the totalitarian left. Anti-capitalists trying to use capitalism and free market as enforcers.

Facts Aren't Hate. Or, to put it in language that trans rights advocates can understand:
Facts Aren't Hate.
Facts Aren't Hate.
Facts Aren't Hate.
Facts Aren't Hate.
Facts Aren't Hate.
Facts Aren't Hate.

Exactly what thatdamnwoman and Bovary said. This is all looking a bit desperate now.

But I’m pleased It’s happening because it reveals more and more about this authoritarian dogma. People who didn’t know much about this start to wonder what the fuss is about, google a few things and then start asking more questions. Sunlight and fresh air.

At some point a former trans kid will win a lawsuit against their former doctors and compensation will be granted, and then the shit will really hit the fan. Especially in the US where compensation awarded can be massive.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn Let's hope this happens very soon.

At some point a former trans kid will win a lawsuit against their former doctors and compensation will be granted, and then the shit will really hit the fan. Especially in the US where compensation awarded can be massive.

they will have to face the legal consequences

I really do think that this is going to result in a shed load of law suits in the coming years. One of the things I find most extraordinary is the suggestion that a boyish girl or girlish boy should be pursuing gender reassignment instead of being proud of their individuality. There is something so reactionary and regressive about gender stereotypes which seems to be at at the core of this debate. It’s just incredible.

You have to wonder whether Ruth Hunt's exit from Stonewall was intended to ensure she was well away from the organisation once the shit hit the fan. Looking into my crystal ball I anticipate her saying that she tried, so, so hard to fight for LGB rights but was overwhelmed by the TRAs who'd sneaked into Stonewall. The LGB Alliance can ask the questions no individual was allowed to ask – including questions about the misuse of public funds.

I imagine there are several hundred people – clinicians, psychotherapists, trainers, head teachers who've contaminated their schools with gender bollocks, social workers, woke journalists and those running various charities and organisations – are having increasing difficulty sleeping at night. When it all comes crashing down their careers and reputations will crash with it. No amount of lies and fake news in Prick News or spurious court cases will stop it.

We need to find out all the donors who've supported Mermaids over the years and ask them politely and with evidence about their complicity in child abuse.

Given that Mimmymum seems to hate an awful lot of people I initially assumed this thread was about how people should stop funding Mimmymum. With which I would agree.

The idea that advertisers should stop funding one of the nation's leading newspapers, otoh, is a bit dystopian novel. Farenheit 451 wasn't a how to guide, Mimmymum.

I agree with thatdamnwoman. The truth is trickling out.
I took a break from SM at the end of last year and having returned to it (just to view) I can see that there are so many more people becoming aware of this-including more men.
There was an article in the Mirror about Caitlin Jenner and 95% of the comments were negative - people saying things I would never have dared to a year ago.

I imagine Helen et al are terrified. After all, the tide is turning and there they are, exposed, the leaders of a campaign that is causing irreparable harm to children and young people and spreading lies and anxiety throughout society.

If they recant they'll be metaphorically torn apart by their own people and will have to face the legal consequences of their actions sooner rather than later, so they have no option but to fight, even if every fight reveals more and more worrying things about them and their organisations. There will, down the line, be a formal enquiry into Transgate and if there's any justice in the world I would like to see people charged with child abuse. Because that's what this is.

She started with Mumsnet and, emboldened by her perceived position, is now trying to employ a similar smear campaign elsewhere.

I'd recommend spending the time gaining some experience and qualifications in marketing. This dabbling is embarrassing.

It's interesting reading the desperation in some tweets. So many 'foaming at the mouth' cliches. Nearly every tweet contains 'transphobes' or 'T*RF' or 'bigot'
which are boring.

The weaponising of suicide or racism too.

To coin a cliche, it's straight out of the MRA playbook.

I think it was Belcher or J.Fae who appeared on BBC radio 4 and when clearly losing the debate threw in a desperate bid to liken the response to men saying they are females and demanding the removal of female rights, to homophobia and racism

It always makes me laugh, the accusation that thousands of women and transsexuals, the majority left leaning, suddenly became 'bigoted'.

This is an attempt to force mega corporations to exert punitive financial pressure in order to silence reporting or opinions. It is another sign of the times that a hefty chunk of the left wing thinks no platforming, bullying and attempting to dictate the narrative and suppress any dissent is acceptable behavior. Much of this confirms the analysis promoted by Douglas Murray in The Madness of Crowds. The Spectator should resist any attempt by niche pressure groups to stifle or control their content. There are swathes of left wing media. There needs to be an alternative

I too am getting mightily sick of straight people telling LGB people what we can, and can’t, talk about as LGB people.

From an article I just read: "Far-left liberals have no idea how thick their bubble is until it’s popped."

Worth pointing out that some of those articles are by transwomen and several of the ones about Stonewall etc have been by prominent members of the gay community.

Bit weird for someone who is not trans or gay to tell trans and gay people to stop discussion of issues affecting those groups.