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Frack's reference post

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FrackOff · 07/11/2019 21:30

Hi All
I have been asked in various threads for references. I am starting a new thread as I've lost track of all the conversations. I wasn't going to bother as people usually don't want to read them but since one or two have said they really do want to read them with an open mind, here are a few.

Reidar Schei Jessen & Katrina Roen (2019) Balancing in the margins
of gender: exploring psychologists’ meaning-making in their work with gender non- conforming youth seeking puberty suppression, Psychology & Sexuality, 10:2, 119-131, DOI: 10.1080/19419899.2019.1568290

ABSTRACT
The past 15 years have seen the growth of puberty suppression as the prevailing approach to supporting gender non-conforming children and youth. Puberty suppression is considered to provide time for weighing up the pros and cons of medical transition. Research based on binary under- standings of gender has demonstrated that a carefully selected group of gender non-conforming youth benefit from physical treatment and gender transition, but the research that details how psychologists can best support young people during this time is limited. This is the gap addressed by the current research. The purpose of the present study is to explore the meaning-making framework within which some clinical psychologists and gender non-conforming youth approach discussions of puberty suppression. Five semi-structured interviews were conducted with clinical psychologists working with gender non-conforming youth. The data were analysed using thematic analysis. The results indicate that there is pressure on gender non- conforming youth, often coming from families, friends and mass media, to buy into heteronormative and binary discourses regarding gender and what constitutes a good life. The results also indicate that the participants deploy affirmative and exploratory therapeutic strategies in their work, in order to enable gender non-conforming youth to make informed decisions regarding puberty suppression. Participants emphasized the importance of therapeutic approaches that explore non-binary gender discourses, alongside the use of puberty suppression and other medical interventions that enable clients to fit more with gender norms. The therapeutic balance between affirmation and exploration may shed light on how both research within the binary tradition and critics of binary assumptions are in danger of oversimplifying the process of gender identity development. This research highlights the importance of understanding the complex negotiation of gender discourses that are in tension with one another.

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Ereshkigal · 13/11/2019 13:33

so I'm not sure what's wrong with Frack's uni that this is apparently new information to her.

Queer theory cheerleading with very limited critical thinking appears to be what's wrong with it.

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 13/11/2019 13:26

I’d say Frack might disappear for a while, but a poster with a very similar writing style will ‘eventually’ pop up to educate us all. Grin

Pinkarsedfly · 13/11/2019 12:26

Blooming heck, Frack, I’ve witnessed a fair few arse-handings on here, but this one is weapons-grade.

Nobody would mind if you admitted you’re way out of your depth, you know. There’d be a kind of nobility to it.

NonnyMouse1337 · 13/11/2019 12:08

Well said, Arnold.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/11/2019 12:03

Heh, bad enough inflicting it on adults never mind children.

I have very little tolerance for 'intellectual' waffle. There is a class of person who seems to think it makes them sound clever when in reality it is meaningless drivel and they are just taking advantage of the fact that many people lack the confidence to call them on their horse shit.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 11:54

I feel like subjecting your children to postmodernist babble should count as cruel and unusual punishment.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 13/11/2019 11:50

Frack's gone a bit quiet hasn't she?

she's probably busy talking to her family about Foucault

BeardedVulture · 13/11/2019 11:43

Wow, Frack, for such a Faulcault fangirl you seem grossly ignorant of his burning desire to make French children fair game for nonces.

Datun · 13/11/2019 11:06

Bloody hell. And how many of those are in positions of power, I wonder?

It's obviously a well organised and mutually supportive thing.

So children's charities, safeguarding organisations, lawmakers, they will all be relentlessly and continuously targeted for infiltration.

It must be a piece of piss, to be honest.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 13/11/2019 10:52

Bloody hell. And how many of those are in positions of power, I wonder?

Thought this needed highlighting.
I won't rant as I don't want the thread deleted, but my views on what type of person is behind all this are well known.

It's not easy to understand that the more desperate people are, the easier it is to control them.
And the more power you have, the easier it is to get away with it, on a massive scale.

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 10:45

sorry Lang, I know you feel this is a derail, but I think it may help readers to understand where Frack and by extension the Queer Theory establishment, are coming from.

Darling, I don't think it is a derail at all; I think it highly germane. I also think that rules are very easily twisted for strike purposes and some people take advantage of that knowing that MNHQ is in denial about GFery (sorry, MNHQ, but you are). Not that this is directed at any individual in particular, on or off this thread, of course.

Datun · 13/11/2019 10:34

So frack rates someone who is a paedophile, to the point where her own children can't bear to hear his name. But goes off alarming when people talk about the damage done to children like Jazz Jennings in the pursuit of being more 'masculine or feminine'?

I'm with jane above.

How can one's sensibilities be damaged over a real-life situation that one can't bear to listen to, whilst simultaneously hanging on the every word of a fucking paedophile?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 13/11/2019 10:27

Foucault is acknowledged as the grandfather of Queer Theory, and he was quite evidently A-OK with adults using children for sex

I think using people without any consideration with regard to power dynamics (or indeed feelings) is intrinsic in both Post Modernism and Queer Theory - everything is a transaction

Hence Queer Theory idealogues apparent appetite for using children in their self appointed quest to 'queer' any and all social boundaries

(sorry Lang, I know you feel this is a derail, but I think it may help readers to understand where Frack and by extension the Queer Theory establishment, are coming from).

Datun · 13/11/2019 10:23

Bloody hell. And how many of those are in positions of power, I wonder?

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 10:06

Statistics from the National Crime Agency (NCA) show that last year 2.88 million accounts were registered globally across the most harmful child sexual abuse dark web sites, with at least 5% believed to be registered in the UK

In the UK alone, it is estimated there are 80,000 people who present a sexual threat to children online.

That's 140,000 Britons (you'd never guess the sex of almost all of them) going to the effort of finding the dark web, seeking out child abuse websites, and downloading and distributing images and videos of child abuse. And at least 80,000 making efforts to find children online in order to groom and abuse them on and offline.

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/11/05/factsheet-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse/

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 10:03

Perhaps we just went to better universities. And yeah, I wasn't buying the making jazz hands at authority arguments back then either.

lionheart · 13/11/2019 10:01

Ditto TheProdigalKittensReturn. It wasn't a secret although it was glossed as Foucault pushing boundaries and challenging bourgeois states of being ... bhah de blah.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 09:53

It seems like every other man is a fucking paedophile. What the fuck is wrong with them.

It really is one of those revelations that has you side eyeing a whole lot of people, isn't it?

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 09:53

Exactly how common is paedophilia??

Hard to measure exactly for obvious reasons, but most researchers reckon about 1 in 30 men have the desire whether or not they act on it. About the same for men and that three letter acronym we're not allowed to mention.

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 09:51

But it would be nice if Frack could explain why puberty blockers in minors are good but surgery in adults is bad. She could incorporate her understanding of Foucault's teaching in her response if she likes.

Frack?

Datun · 13/11/2019 09:51

In 1977 Foucault signed a petition to the French Parliament arguing for the abolition of all legislation regarding the age of consent,

Fucking hell. Exactly how common is paedophilia??

It seems like every other man is a fucking paedophile. What the fuck is wrong with them.

LangCleg · 13/11/2019 09:50

I imagine too much talk of eugenics and Foucault on a thread about trans issues has the potential to be deletable. Not that Frack would ever stir such a pot then run, I'm sure.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 09:35

Nearly 30 years, rather.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 09:35

It's been nearly 3 years since I studied Foucault and his advocacy for removing age of consent laws was known and discussed then, so I'm not sure what's wrong with Frack's uni that this is apparently new information to her.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/11/2019 09:33

but because they want our kids to be good little soldiers in their war against all that is not yet 'queered'

And then MNHQ wonder why we get so angry with the people making that demand.