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Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 07/11/2019 13:48

Today I emailed the Lib Dems expressing an interest in joining their party.

I stated no one should receive discrimination or abuse for their transgender status but explained that I am GC and I asked if there was room for GC women in the party.

I received the following response:
Thank you for getting in touch. Whilst we appreciate your interest in joining, you should be aware that the Liberal Democrats are a trans inclusive party, and we have made it clear that we fully behind trans communities. As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want. By the sounds of your email it appears that your values are not aligned with ours so we are probably not the right the party for you.

I am flabbergasted. I didn't expect that I would have to believe that humans can change biological sex in order to be a member of the Lib Dems.

I am so disappointed. I was going to vote for them in the GE (passionate Remainer) but I cannot if this is their response.

There is no one to vote for. I am lost.

Lib Dems actively deterring GC women
Lib Dems actively deterring GC women
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RuffleCrow · 15/11/2019 18:54

The more women fight this, the more the TRA lobby is exposed as a bunch of misogynistic bullies. Good work, sisters.

Ereshkigal · 15/11/2019 18:36

Oooh!

HandsOffMyRights · 15/11/2019 16:19

Recent tweet by journalist Sonia Poulton:

'Lib Dems press office so incensed that I am pressing - despite the absurd responses - the issue of Aimee Challenor’s party involvement that the PR has threatened to speak to Sky about me. Even though I am not employed by them. Something to worry about ‘Dems? Report coming soon.'

RuffleCrow · 15/11/2019 06:27

Yeah, why not?! What Virginia Woolf said about having no country is echoing down the years. This issue has exposed just how useless and irrelevant the traditional Left/Right divide is for women - both treat us like some mythical creature rather than half the human race.

Jux · 15/11/2019 02:19

Like "neither left nor right but female" kind of thing? I could carry a placard with that on it.

Ereshkigal · 13/11/2019 09:03

But yes I like your suggestion for the slogan.

Ereshkigal · 13/11/2019 09:02

Obviously the right are. What the post was talking about is a refusal to believe the left are.

RuffleCrow · 13/11/2019 08:59

And sadly so are the right @erishkagal. When i was a Green someone came up with a slogan along the lines of "Neither left nor right but Green" i think we need something like that now but for women. This is much bigger than any section of the political spectrum, as is climate change.

Ereshkigal · 13/11/2019 08:54

This is happening because the left are misogynistic as fuck, they are responsible for their own actions, and I for one am putting the blame squarely at their feet where it belongs.

Yes, with you on this.

Cismyfatarse1 · 12/11/2019 21:56

I am in the UK's most marginal constituency (held by SNP with 2 votes over Lib Dem)

Anyone know who is standing in North East Fife? I have written to the SNP (no reply) but want to tackle the LD candidate.

Thanks

OhHolyJesus · 12/11/2019 20:22

The reply from my LibDem candidate stated some obvious things that are true and some other things that are untrue but he might not be aware of how Self ID is dangerous and can be abused. He managed not to answer my question so I'm done. I have resolved to spoil my ballot. I think given the circumstances the Suffragettes would understand.

PreseaCombatir · 12/11/2019 19:49

Whoever's pushing this behind the scenes has zero interest in the rights of transexuals and 100% investment in keeping the left vote split and impotent

I don’t believe this for a second. I don’t believe this is being masterminded by the (presumably) right, as a way of keeping the left vote split.
I’m getting increasingly frustrated at this narrative of the left just passively sitting there while the evil genius masterminds on the right wage physiological warfare.
This is happening because the left are misogynistic as fuck, they are responsible for their own actions, and I for one am putting the blame squarely at their feet where it belongs.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2019 19:23

I've been working on this with my core of friends for the last 2 years. At first they were yeah whatever, but the penny is slowly dropping with them. They just couldn't comprehend it and thought I was exaggerating...

endofthelinefinally · 12/11/2019 19:15

More or less that I was ignorant/ making it up.
Oh well.
I did meet up with a friend later who was completely on side, so that restored my faith in myself somewhat.
I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I need to toughen up a bit so I don't get upset by negative reactions.

niceberg · 12/11/2019 19:09

endoftheline sorry you've had that reaction from people. In what way were they being unpleasant in their replies?

endofthelinefinally · 12/11/2019 14:47

I just shared this information with a few people, including the link to the Times article. I got some very unpleasant replies. It seems that people just don't want to know. Sad

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 12/11/2019 09:42

NotAnother I just fired off an email to BBC about Davey and my emails, then realised it was last night! Oops Blush

I hope people are just becoming more aware. It doesn't seem right for liberals to exclude people on the basis of their beliefs!

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Newuser123123 · 12/11/2019 08:00

I can't imagine they've changed their policy but I read something on another thread yesterday that made me think.
In order to win this, we need to change people's minds, we need to be the reasonable persuasive ones (rather than the other side just shouting bigot). There are a lot of minds to change in all the parties and in policy makers, sports bodies etc.

Michelleoftheresistance · 11/11/2019 21:36

tbh if they had a panic meeting and started making less anti woman noises at this point it will only be holding their noses and saying it to try and get votes back.

By their deeds shall you know them. Paying attention to what any party says at this point is like rushing up to the child catcher's van for a lolly.

PocketDictionary · 11/11/2019 20:59

Or they've had a panic meeting? It's 4 days since OP received their response & since been in the press. Seriously doubt there's been a complete cultural change in the party in one weekend.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/11/2019 17:31

Left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing then. Another reason not to vote for them.

Newuser123123 · 11/11/2019 17:29

Have just been told by the membership team I am still welcome as a member (having detailed my views) I asked them to follow up so I'll keep you updated.

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 11/11/2019 15:16

I've just seen on the BBC News channel that they are having Ed Davey on at 5.30pm and they are asking for questions to put to him.
I wonder if this would be a good opportunity to look at the questions he didn't have time to answer during his webchat and give him another opportunity to answer them. Wink
Contact them by using the hashtag #BBCYourQuestions, emailing on [email protected] or text 61124

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 10/11/2019 21:01

Joaniwalsh Excellent. DontBuy says Good Spot

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corlan · 10/11/2019 19:10

Just emailed the Lib Dem candidate for my area, asking her thoughts on this. It's a marginal seat ,so I'm wondering if her response might be more equivocal!