Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

Why does this Labour pillock only care about being "fair" to "trans-gender women" and not at all about being fair to actual women?

Why are political parties unable to recognise women and women's historic and ongoing sex-based oppression?

Did any woman, ever, object to having women's spaces? It is just men who object to women having women's spaces, and who wish to crash and colonise women's spaces etc.

I don't want no-penis men in my toilets. So no.

When I read some of convoluted ways in which people struggle to express themselves over transgenderism, I start to wonder if we should indeed change our language. Penis toilets and vagina toilets instead of men‘s and women’s. Then there could be no obfuscation.

Partial male genitalia
Like balls but no winkle?
Yup that happens

Wow - name and shame this primary school dropout!

I have just had a reply from my Labour candidate. He told me that transwomen should be allowed in to our loos and changing because:

'Some trans-gender women have no male genitalia, others only partial male genitalia and others are fully biologically male. I'm not sure how the degree to which a trans-gender person was still biologically male could be fairly assessed...'

Yes readers, this Labour candidate actually does think that human beings can change sex.
This is what we are dealing with.

I haven't the energy to wade through this whole thread, but can someone tell me is the stance the same for all the parties? What is the Tory stance on this?
I suggest we all send a copy of this thread to our local LD MP.

Have they told men who believe that male and female human beings exist in a biological sense not to vote for them as well?

No need. DH told me after the Luciana Berger interview on R4 Today this week there’s no way they’re getting his vote now.

It's very difficult, isn't it, when you have a decent human being as a candidate for a political party that you just can't support.

Our current dilemma with our sitting MP, sadly.

Every single openly gender critical member of the Greens has been suspended or expelled! How are we meant to change things when we would be kicked out for doing so?

It's Scottish Greens but Andy Wightman who is by far and away their highest profile MSP must have got a talking to just for attending a meeting where Julie Bindel and Rosa Freedman were speaking. Wightman tweeted a pretty innocuous comment saying little more than it had given him something to think about. (I'm paraphrasing)

Next thing he's apologising profusely for just having attended. Wightman is a combative, no holds barred bruiser. He can be extremely rude about people he disagrees with (and as his main focus is land reform rather than Green issues the people he disagrees with are numerous. I've peripherally been one of them) I've never seen him apologise before.

Are you joking?

Every single openly gender critical member of the Greens has been suspended or expelled! How are we meant to change things when we would be kicked out for doing so?

My view was its surely better to have people active in their party, who are GC, trying to change policy from within as well? Otherwise, how will the policies ever change?

Sounds good in theory.....but, for example, last week I had a long conversation with a woman out campaigning on behalf of the Labour party in my local city centre. She had been a Labour party activist for her whole adult life...and she agreed with what I was saying and had much sympathy. She said being in the Labour party was like being in a 'bad marriage' for her, but it was what she knew, and she still believed in change from the inside.

What she could not answer, though, was why she and many others in the party were too scared to speak openly about it, and why not one Labour MP had ever stood up in parliament and spoken out on this issue.

She was still compelled to say that the Labour party believed in 'Equality' above all.

Does anyone know how I can send this thread to my local Lib Dem candidate please? I have campaigned for them in the past and had planned to this time but as a result of this can't even bring myself to vote for them 🙁

Empress yes, you would which shows just how chilling and insidious its all been, I think

My view was its surely better to have people active in their party, who are GC, trying to change policy from within as well? Otherwise, how will the policies ever change?

You’d have to be pretty brave to be pro-GC in the Lib Dems, Green or Labour though, given the vitriol that’s likely to be thrown at you.

It's very difficult, isn't it, when you have a decent human being as a candidate for a political party that you just can't support. I've been in this situation in the past (with a Tory) he was the best ever constituency MP I ever had, tireless in support, even when he didn't agree with my position, he would do his best, as our MP, to help. .

^He knew all about the issues with the Tavistock, he knew about Marcus Evans resigning as a trustee and why he did so. He listened compassionately to me telling him about my ROGD daughter and her swift route to being prescribed testosterone.
He promised that if he was voted in he would work to get these issues properly heard and addressed My gob was literally smacked when I closed the door.^

Sister, it’s good to hear that some Conservatives are aware of this issue and speaking fluently about it with potential voters. If they were smart, the Tories should be making an explicit effort to woo alienated voters from the Lib Dems and Labour. There’s a first time for everything and maybe this is the first time a significant number of women switch political allegiance and vote Tory.....

Just a point to note here, though not wanting to derail. I have never ever voted Conservative, and would find it very difficult to do so, however...

The prospective Tory candidate turned up at my door a few weeks ago. We had a long
chat- about anti-semitism, self-id and gender non conforming children being given puberty blockers.

This guy is a medic, working with autistic children. He knew all about the issues with the Tavistock, he knew about Marcus Evans resigning as a trustee and why he did so. He listened compassionately to me telling him about my ROGD daughter and her swift route to being prescribed testosterone.

He promised that if he was voted in he would work to get these issues properly heard and addressed.

My gob was literally smacked when I closed the door.

Not Lib Dem.
My view was its surely better to have people active in their party, who are GC, trying to change policy from within as well? Otherwise, how will the policies ever change?

SisterWendy, you know what I think is so appalling? It’s the arrogant sense of entitlement to women’s votes even as they adopt policies which will permanently undermine the definition of that demographic! Can’t stand them