Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

We need to guard against seizing on something without due diligence otherwise it makes us look like conspiracy theorists

Yes. That was why I did my own search.

Spire is the largest provider of private hospitals in the UK.

And it's not surprising that they have a lot of plastic surgeons since that's something that people often have to use private healthcare for.

I have emailed our LD candidate twice asking for information about their stance on gender issues as I was going to vote for them. No reply so no vote.

It's not as if there isn't plenty of unquestioning ammunition about how awful Jo Swinson is.

For example

mobile.twitter.com/joswinson/status/1202224091706667008

And the 12 I found are general plastic surgeons.

I'm concerned about Jean's info too

We need to guard against seizing on something without due diligence otherwise it makes us look like conspiracy theorists

Spire is the largest provider of private hospitals in the UK.

Here is the result of searching facial feminisation surgery for all their hospitals - 12 surgeons.

www.spirehealthcare.com/search/?query=facial+feminisation+surgery+ffs&profile=

Here is the result for endometrial ablation surgery (picked because I had that done at at a Spire hospital)

www.spirehealthcare.com/search/?query=endometrial+ablation+surgery&profile=
7,977 surgeons.

It is conspiracy theory with several dozen tin foil hats to think Spire is lobbying the Lib Dems because Spire are going to make pots of money from facial feminisation surgery- it's a tiny part of their business.

I'm concerned about Jean's info too.

We need to guard against seizing on something without due diligence otherwise it makes us look like conspiracy theorists.

Ok, when I clicked on the link it came up "Allow Google to access your location" I said No.
I always say NO.
I used the word tracking and it was probably the wrong word to use.

Re: Spire - nothing to do with tracking.
Looks like Jean just searched for 'facial feminisation surgeon' on the Spire website search and got 313 results as 'consultants'.
The ones I clicked on seem to be Maxillofacial Surgeon or Plastic Surgeons, rather than specialising in FFS. Using the filters by specialty finds only two - one of whom is a 'pioneer' in FFS and the other doesn't have FFS specifically listed in their profile. So it's unclear why one search finds 2 results and one finds 313.

Jo Swinson is on Women's Hour today (Friday). Not sure if she will be taking questions or whether the WH team will accept suggestion for topics.

When I clicked on the link google tracking wanted me to allow location. I don't allow and never do.
I thought that maybe you'd had a different result because of your location

I'm very uncomfortable about the provenance of this information.

I thought it was worth checking whether the information was correct. And from my search, I don't think it is.

Not sure what google location tracking has to do with a simple search on the Spire Healthcare website, though.

None, to be truthful here I didn't allow google to track my location. I never allow that, I can be a bit tinfoil hat at times.
I'm very uncomfortable about the provenance of this information.

I left the location field blank, so it should have found all the relevant doctors working for them in the whole country.

How many doctors did the search function find when you did it Butterisbest?

OldCrone
I think it depends where you live. Bigger cities have more options

It is also worth noting that it appears from a search of @ spirehealthcare website that no less than 313 consultant surgeons working for them offer facial feminisation surgery.

How did she get that? I selected facial feminisation surgery from the menu and got 2 results, not 313.

www.spirehealthcare.com/consultants/profiles/?filterByTreatment=62309&filterBySpecialty=&filterByHospital=&filterByName=&filterByPostCode=&filterByBookable=false

Jean Hatchet has dug up something interesting:

"The traitor to women @joswinson is determined to remove all boundaries to men identifying as women. She'll change the law to do this if elected. The biggest donors to @LibDems in 2019 are Justinian and Victoria Ash who own @spirehealthcare .. with a £££ interest in trans surgery t.co/ZeWKI6nZsM "

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1202625641360871424?s=19

and @joswinson advocates allowing men to identify more easily as women. She's pushing this hard. HEr main donors are hugely invested in surgery that makes men look more like women. Where do women's rights figure in this handy donor pathway?

#StopBetrayingWomen

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1202625643487354882?s=19

It is also worth noting that it appears from a search of @spirehealthcare website that no less than 313 consultant surgeons working for them offer facial feminisation surgery. That is a lot of financial incentive to drop £280,000 on @joswinson* Isn't it? Would @maitlis* look into? t.co/nJdhzhmq8r

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1202625649032224768?s=19

Sadly, your party disagrees with you on that one.

I am a GC Lib Dem, and that correspondence certainly does not speak to my beliefs regarding transwomen. I am of the idea that transwomen are just that, transwomen. I and other natural/biological women are the only real women. Too many women seem to be more than happy to prop-up transwomen and their agenda even though doing so diminishes their own status as women! This fact is beyond frustrating! I am a liberal, and I will remain a liberal, but I just will never subscribe to this nonsense that “twaw so give them all rights bestowed upon women D allow them into our spaces” malarkey!!!

That was shockingly bad from Wollaston. Though I was shouting at Emily to not let her get away with "assigned at birth" rather than "observed at birth". Also letting Sarah get away without explaining how she can tell the difference between a tw and a predatory, dangerous man taking advantage of her stupid self-id crap BEFORE they do harm.

She was just reiterating what we all know to be true: that what happens to women at the hands of men less important than the feels of men. Presumably she thinks that those naughty men will get picked up by the justice system once they've actually raped, killed or otherwise harmed a woman.

I used to quite like the LDs, I really did. SW disgusts me.

Emily Matliss has just done sarah wollaston over well and truely. I am so anti-Brexit that I was going to hold my nose and vote Lib Dem. I really can't after listening to that.
Completely got tied up about gender assigned at birth and what biological sex is.

I wrote to my Lib Dem MP about this and have got a "sitting on the fence" type of reply acknowledging the conflict of rights and indicating that on some issues he would be prepared to vote against the whip. I suspect that he doesn't fully agree with the party line on the issue but can't say so. He's a decent MP, I'd like to be able to vote for him and if he was an independent I would. But nationally they're a shit show and Sarah Woollastons response on Woman's Hour about women's spaces was a disgrace so I'm not sure I can.

Fuck me, Wollaston hasn't a clue about AGP, or anything else for that matter.

Abuse of self ID would be "very rare". So as long as it's only a few women or girls that are harmed, that's OK then?

Sarah Woolaston is just not getting it, is she?

Matliss going after her big time.

Going on about Woolaston being patron as rape crisis.

Matliss asking if that was OK for women to share that space?

"Why should trans advances come at the expense of women's, particularly vulnerable women's rights?"

Matliss going for it.