The problem with white feminism

The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else

An excellent description of Alison's feminism there!

The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else

Yes, feminism of the kind espoused by Alison Phipps excludes anyone with common sense

Feminists on this board have always been alive to classism in certain strands of feminism. I well remember the hard time that the ‘Women’s Equality Party’ were given over their policy of allowing men to stay overnight on maternity wards and the potential effects on vulnerable women

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Until the BAME community in the U.K. states that they want to adopt the Americanised "POC", it will continue to make my eyelids itch.

I'm not sure of the original source of the picture. It surfaced on Twitter in the last few days

Have you read any of this thread 1Micemouse?

Posters such as 'Frackoff' do serve to tighten up and clarify the focus, though, and make it more cogent - which is always worthwhile.

True. Also GumpyHoonMain's posts have been interesting so a worth while thread for them alone.

And mortality as in death in childbirth.

*mens not menstruation. Silly autocorrect

There should be an acknowledgement that WOC have different struggles as women in the patriarchy. For example the mortality rates for black women in America being significantly highly than white women because of a mixture of both internalised racism and misogyny ( for example it's been proven that in medical settimgs women's self reports of pain aren't taken as seriously as menstruation, and added to that black peoples self reports of pain aren't taken as seriously as white peoples). The problem with feminism that centres on the experiences of middle class white women is that it excludes everyone else. It doesn't mean white middle class women are bad, it just means they are an often over represented group.

Frack’s not interested in any sense I don’t think. Certainly doesn’t seem to be much point making coherent arguments anyway

Posters such as 'Frackoff' do serve to tighten up and clarify the focus, though, and make it more cogent - which is always worthwhile.

Honestly, academic gender discourse is about as First World Problems as it gets. In the rest of the world all feminism is focused on the material realities of women's lives because of course it bloody well is

Absolutely! Feminism has always been rooted in the material reality of women's lives, and lived experiences; not in the impenetrability of queer theory and identity politics.

Frack’s not interested in any sense I don’t think. Certainly doesn’t seem to be much point making coherent arguments anyway.

I was really hoping there’d be a Thigh or two about now as well just to liven things up

Cripes Turtles, where’s that picture from? It’s terrifying

See I did get educated on the don’t use woman face thread

Before I read the thread I didn’t see the problem with the term ‘womanface’ and after I read the thread I did

Because posters took the time to engage and clearly explain the issues

It’s how you change people’s minds, just for future reference @FrackOff

I'm not even clear what the wording on the placard is supposed to mean.

Does 'white feminism ain't shit' mean 'white feminism is the opposite of shit and fabulous' or 'white feminism is not worth shit'?

As for the guillotine holder in the face mask, just sick. Vile human being.

Listen to this amazing podcast on white feminism, the link with the right wing, racism and colonialism pca.st/vzbdlq7j

'White feminism' as a term has only relatively recently been invented - in order to tie in with the politics of intersectionality.

Feminism has always embraced all women, and there is nothing new or revolutionary in seeing that women face multiple oppressions on account of different factors: class, race, religion, disability and so on.....

As with 'genderism' as a theory - there is nothing new to see here - except for the new 'woke left' castigating anyone who dares hold a different view as being 'right wing' or 'racist'. All so predictable.

This pretty much sums it up for me. A young white woman holds up objecting to white feminism while her companion holds an image of a guillotine aimed at women. I genuinely don't know how it's possible to have that little self-awareness.

I waded in on Alison's Twitter thread about breastfeeding, wasn't very good for my blood pressure.

But frack. People have written her3 about the podcast.

I don’t even know what it is you want.
You never even engaged with the people that did listen to it and wrote about it
Did the listeners not say what you wanted them to say ?

But you have the job to go to and all that

bud=vid

In fact, it would not surprise me if many women of colour are more in agreement with various GC viewpoints because we experience patriarchy

No time or patience to listen to podcasts but I have to agree with this. I am black from a country whose population is 90% black/brown. We have absolutely no time or compassion for trans ideology. I can't think of a single person who wouldn't roll their eyes at TWAW. The vast majority of us believe firmly in binary sex. Wokeness is not knocking at our doors.
It's the same with black people I know in the UK. Our feet are very firmly planted in solid reality.

(Ps being told I HAVE to watch some bud or the other is a clear indication that it's not for me.)

She is instead choosing to essentially do nothing. About anything. For anyone

I was just about to post that her academic post could be abolished and no- one other than her, and others like her on the academic gravy train, would notice far less care.

Goosefoot, not only is it a shallow approach to the US situation, and there is a problem in the US with extreme incarceration rates, but by concentrating on another country's issues over which she has no influence, she is missing opportunities to make a real difference in her own.

It isn't as if there aren't issues around the prison systems of the UK. She could expend energy campaigning for better mental health services (many people in prison are mentally ill). She could campaign for better opportunities for people living in poverty (class is a huge factor in whether people end up in prison). She could support schemes to help young people out of gangs (if racism is her concern then race does influence your likelihood of being drawn into gang culture in some parts of the UK).

She is instead choosing to essentially do nothing. About anything. For anyone.

Not surprisingly she is pro prostitution too.

sro.sussex.ac.uk/id/eprint/67246/

While I doubt any of those community members are really keen on the % of the prison population made up of young black men, but they also aren't crazy about drugs or gang violence in their neighbourhoods or trying to recruit their kids.

Because class is the great unmentionable in Alison's privileged bourgeois version of intersectionalism.

particularly about the postcolonial aspect of white feminist

You've had belt and braces rebuttals of that throughout this thread and also been provided with some actual liberatory feminism as espoused by a lifelong working class campaigner who has achieved more for women than Alison's nonsensical witterings could ever do. Any productive response from you on that?

If you want to talk to me about the podcast, @ me in your response

No. I'll stick with FWR etiquette. You just can't help yourself with the imperatives, can you?