Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

Answer came there none.

I know. I've compromised with MTF trans person/people because it doesn't say woman or female in full. It's not ideal but it is an official term that most people generally understand.

Planets - I'd have thought it would be possible to discuss that film, if you need to, but be very careful with the title and OP to avoid the misunderstanding I've deduced happened. I've not seen it, and have no intention of doing so, it might be good to warn people off it.

Either way, watching our sisters fall like dragonflies to avoid male approach is really fucking disheartening (whether volunteered fall or forced).

At least they allow the debate at all, unlike Twitter / Facebook / everywhere else, who basically ban gender critical thinking completely.

Yes - at least on MN we have this down in writing:
We don’t wish to prevent anyone from asserting as part of their gender critical position that transwomen are born Male

Yeah...

I still feel creeped out by the scene. I wish... I really really really wish we could discuss it openly here. There are few things I feel that only the women of FWR can help me sort and I need help on this one (to parse it, to perhaps be righted like possibly my personal experiences are clouding my perspective? Or am I and DH right on in our disturbed disgust?).

And threads started from pure Goady Fuckery get left up with polite notices from Mods to be nice to the GF, or even to stay 'on topic' when the topic is goading the fucking shit out of the women here. It's like my mother has come back from the dead and is running the MN mod team.

"Trans identified male" has been a banned term for ages.

Deletions always go up after high profile events such as after Spartacus, Ocado, the Flora boycott, this new double-down is probably because the M&S threads are getting a lot of attention.

The corporations (M&S etc) start ringing MNHQ with "concerns" WRT their association and advertising with MN. MN have to double down on feminist posts or lose advertising revenue.
It's a constant battle for them.

At least they allow the debate at all, unlike Twitter / Facebook / everywhere else, who basically ban gender critical thinking completely.

I think I saw your thread, planets. Iirc I think you fell foul of the late night troll hunters who unfortunately all too often correctly identify threads about kids which have very bad motivations. If they'd bothered to read the synopsis of the film on wiki they'd have perhaps realised yours was nothing like that (sounded like a bloody awful film tbh)

Back around 17th June I started a thread asking MNHQ if we could use the term 'trans identified male', rather than transwomen, as the term transwoman IS misleading....it ran to over 2000 posts and certain posters were VERY pissed off. Funnily enough the disgruntled ones were able to post throughout the night, almost like they were in a different time zone.....

But 'trans' is an 'identity'.

Trans people use it as an umbrella term for a whole myriad of permutations. I have read and heard so many trans people introduce themselves with "I identify as trans and these are my pronouns."

Seriously, this one is about 'male' and they bloody know it. This is MNHQ saying 'you can't refer to a group of people by their sex, even though it is the only thing relevant to why you are even discussing them as feminists, because... well, we're not sure really, but it's all a bit uncivil and unseemly.'

MN need to explain.

How is it not okay on FWR of all places to be concerned about a female child's inability to consent to lingering exposure of her body?

Because you assumed her gender perhaps? That is far more important than the fact that she was exploited in such a blatant and horrible way.

It is ludicrous, sad and frustrating that women have to dance to the tune of controlling men even when on a forum for women and specifically about feminism. In 20fucking19.

I have been banned from twitter countless times and no longer go back, also from the teaching forum I used to frequent for even daring to mention that there may be something dubious about 'trans kids' and I expect that if MN are getting heavy on the modding I shall be banned from here soon too.

Grim.

"Trans identified..." is accurate yet banned IIRC. Remember ladies, be polite to your own detriment... SMILE PRETTY now.

I recently had a thread deleted that had nothing to do with trans individuals nor any links to said individuals.

My thread was about a mainstream movie on Netflix that exposed a female child in a way I (and DH) found disturbingly inappropriate. It was obvious that I tried incredibly hard to phrase things in a direct yet careful way. My concerns were about exploitation of a baby girl and why it is okay (in media) to expose a child's private areas in the name of "Indi artsy films".

I don't know wtf is going on around here. While I doubt anyone would notice if I disappeared from MN (as of late I rarely post anything) I find the thread delete with no reason (I didn't break guidelines I didn't say anything controversial or insulting) to be highly censuring of my speech. I am concerned that my want to discuss the exploitation of a child, a female child was found to be offensive or whatever bullshit the mods conjured up to block discussion about a very important topic highly relevant to FWR. How is it not okay on FWR of all places to be concerned about a female child's inability to consent to lingering exposure of her body?

Good point, pencils.
'Male who identifies in one of the many and various ways encompassed by the Stonewall umbrella' is a bit of a mouthful, though.

people generally don't identify as trans, but as the opposite sex.

This is inaccurate isn't it?

Unless we are talking about a specific individual who has stated their 'gender identity' we have no way of knowing if a trans person, who is male, identifies as a woman, as non-binary, as gender fluid, as genderqueer, as trans femme ...

And it makes not a blind bit of difference to us. The only reason there is a problem in the first place is that they are male and they are harming women's rights.

I assume you agree with us that compelled speech is wrong? So, what form of words can be used by posters who fundamentally object to terms which include 'woman' when referring to transgender people who were born male?

In the many site stuff threads about the guidelines when they first came in, I asked several times for an acceptable term for people not of my sex that does not use words pertaining to my sex.

Answer came there none.

I've just reported that post of mine - and now I need to make dinner. I'd much rather have a considered response than a quick one on this so I shall be patient.

Dear MNHQ,

Please remember that only women give birth - and that 'Mums' specifically refers to women.

Whilst the site has grown to include all sorts of other things, it would be a massive own goal to alienate your core readership - which is women.

Sincerely,
An adult human female.

Here's a specific question for @MNHQ

I assume you agree with us that compelled speech is wrong? So, what form of words can be used by posters who fundamentally object to terms which include 'woman' when referring to transgender people who were born male?

If there's no acceptable term which doesn't include 'woman', then such posters are gagged, I'm absolutely sure that is not what you want.