Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

It's awful that HQ will just throw their loyal users under the bus like this - and for what? A small number of very vocal transactivists, who demand that women don't discuss their rights, or the safeguarding of children.

Orchid had been here 14yrs? And gone after a completely innocuous comment.

I've been here for a decade (I can hardly believe that!) - but my username won't reflect that - because I've de-rgeged, and then re-regged several times. (after Jeff the hacker, after that intern published people's IP addresses on twitter, and when the lawyer-who-shall-no- be-named started demanding user's personal information in the court.)

MNHQ - you actually want to throw away your core users because they don't agree with gender ideology?? Your moderation in practice does not tally with Justine's statements in the press. This is not fair play IMO.

And Spartacus I agree with you.

This affects me a lot, SpartacusAutisticus. I have never found being circuitous easy. Or concealment/lying. I always wondered why DM always said I was more honest than she is (she's far more unselfish) and now I have an ASD diagnosis I know why.

If I want to reply to a thread these days I either post a very short comment or, if I really feel strongly, I have to allow a significant amount of time first to compose a post and then double and triple check it for guidelines breaches. This whole business has near enough silenced me.

If FWR is going to have its own set of rules, and its own set of problems with TRA Monitors vexatiously reporting people, the FWR should have its own set of moderators who are carefully selected by Justine as being able to be fair in their application of the rules.

Targeting. Someone/s apparently wanted Orchid gone and apparently from the perspective of HQ that person/those people are far more important than a loyal user who's been helpful to many other women like Orchid.

WTF is going on with all this banning of women by mods who claim that it almost never happens? Are we being gaslit?

MNHQ is incorrect with regard to most people identifying as the opposite sex rather than as transgender.

Of course, now that this thread has been posted we that have made comments will no doubt be stalked by the TRAs.

Just a note to say that I agree with OP and I think that MNHQ should cater to women and not to other groups.

I wonder if they have new trigger happy moderators? They seem to have doubled down in the deletions and there has definitely been an influx of TRA supporters recently. They will take one comment that they view as proof that women being ‘hysterical’ and comment continuously on that post in order to derail a thread. I’ve seen that happen over the last 24hrs. The TRAs are definitely trying to get rid of the posters they deem a threat.

Something does seem to have gone very badly wrong with Orchid and those particular threads.

Yes.

Something does seem to have gone very badly wrong with Orchid and those particular threads. Some of the lack of clarity in the guidelines is to allow for context (which I tend to think is a good thing, on the whole) but the context in this case sucks.

I think my problem with what happened to Orchid is that it’s so disloyal

She was a proper mumsnetter, she’d been here 14 years, giving advice to new mothers and to women posting in relationships, plugging away, supporting women and, of course, generating site content

And she posts ‘how awful for you’ and is permanently banned for it

And it later transpires that the thread she was posting on was started by someone lying about their identity

She was the definition of a good faith poster and now she’s banned

It would be nice to know precisely what MNHQ want from posters

But if we call all trans people who are male 'trans women' or variations of that, we'll be misgendering a lot of them. That's bad isn't it Chole?

We have known for a while, that TRAs target individual posters, to have them banned one by one.

MNHQ cannot be ignorant to this. They will have to make a principled decision sooner or later on how to deal with this.

It’s already too late for ‘sooner’, so it is now high time they decide. -and I humbly suggest they should come down on the side of women, and especially women who have been propping up the site for years.

It seems fairly ludicrous to think you shouldn't have to read or obey the talk guidelines when posting here because you think doing so represents an "unreasonable burden".

MNHQ have made their view on the use of the phrase "trans-identified male" very clear and have explained the reasons behind that opinion in some detail.

But today I am having one of my intemperate 'why are we grateful for scraps while being coercively controlled?' moments.

This is my permanent state of being.

What?