Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

Isadora I know, I know...

Men forcing women to use particular language and refer to them in a way which denies reality, is a form of male brutality on women.

Yy, Detroit, it’s classic coercive control, just another item in the long list of male violence against women and girls. Emotional abuse on a grand scale.

Made possible by the fact it’s males who are the sex with considerably more power and privilege than females, however much some try to convince the world that “c*s privilege” is a real thing that female people have relative to biologically male transgender people.

There are gonna be a lot of posters banned for empathising with non-trans parenting situations Spartacus. If we're reading the worst - disgusted maybe - interpretation to any post that states a situation is awful.

Oh no, wait, of course there won't be...

Stealing our names appears to be the latest fad on MN.

Yeah, there's an inverse Beyond posting too, hadn't noticed it was a "thing". Thought I wasn't around enough nowadays to be noticed tbh

TalkingintheDark I thought I must be missing something, considering that sarcasm and incivility are all over MN anyway.
At far as sarcasm goes, those are extremely mild. Are they banning the from this board too?

I've just seen on the littlbrowndog MIA thread that Orchid has been told by MNHQ to "go well"

But it just makes you wonder what else is on banhammer list.

Will it be not endorsing a double mastectomy for a 16/17 yr old?

Will it be the (correct) term "double mastectomy" because we must use the euphemism "top surgery" ?

Will it be "woke" or "wokesters" that is considered beyond the pale next?

I can't tell.

It was who she was sympathising with, I guess. A mother of a trans child. Actually, it was the child themselves - but HQ appear to have turned a blind eye to this (ill-advisedly, imho).

It was probably reported as "transphobic" - as it implies that it is awful to have a trans child.

I think the ban was exceedingly heavy handed though.

Hold on. MN banned Orchid for sympathising with someone? I don't get it?

AIBU scares me.

The Brexit threads scare me.

The election threads will be terrifying

But women on FWR are only allowed to talk about women - that's adult human females - if they are very. careful. with. their. language.

Can't be offending any delicate wokesters now. Hope they're all enjoying spreading candle wax Flora on their bread

My goodness, AIBU is an absolute bear pit.

Mumsnet is blunt, opinionated, rude and funny. It seems those qualities are not welcome on this particular part of the site, although they are absolutely in the spirit of the site as a whole.

Agreed, Datun.

They were deemed “uncivil” or “not in the spirit”, Isadora.

FWR is held to very, very different standards from the rest of the site. Given how bread-and-butter those responses are for much of the site, and how savage AIBU, for example, can be, it’s quite extraordinary.

Are Mumsnet reading intent into posts and then assuming the worst possible motives? That doesn't seem right, unless I'm misunderstanding.

Being banned for saying that is beyond ridiculous!
But did I really read that people have had posts deleted for saying "bless" and "yawn"?? What's that about?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone banned for something that is so evidently not bannable.

I honestly don't get it. Orchid didn't strike me as particularly controversial.

Seconded, Bernard!

It seems it was a wilful and disingenuous misinterpretation of Orchid’s post - apparently trying to make out she was saying it was “awful” to be the parent of a trans child full stop, rather than “awful” to be in the position of seeing your beloved female child start T and have their breasts removed, and being powerless to do anything to stop that happening.

I will miss Orchid hugely, not just on this board but all the others she habitually posted on. MN depends on women like her. It’s an absolute travesty that she’s been banned simply for expressing empathy and compassion from one mother to another (and even worse as the “mother” turned out to be a goady troll).

I really hope @MNHQ will reconsider.

MNHQ properly cocked up over the weekend

Not acting in the best interests of someone claiming to be a minor, and allowing them to troll the site

Banning a loyal, compassionate and long standing site contributor for posting the words ‘how awful for you’ in response to a person claiming to be the mother of a child planning to have their healthy breasts surgically removed (and that person subsequently turned out to be lying about their identity)

On some previous occasions they’ve been big enough to back track when they’ve made a misstep

Let’s hope that happens here

Piers Morgan has been cleared by Ofcom for his "strongly held beliefs."

I wonder why MNHQ can't allow us our strongly held beliefs (within reason, of course) and stop making us dance around these ridiculous language rules - with the ever-shifting goalposts.

Radio silence, I see.

I'm happy to use someone's preferred pronouns if I've actually met them and they've informed me what they are directly ONLY IF they then accept on equal footing that I don't believe in gender, that I am genderfree and they can refer to me without the use of pronouns at all, ever. If a pronoun sneaks in that's misgendering and I can call the police....

Otherwise I'll use sex based pronouns as this is common usage.

I expect he is "he" at the freemasons, Errol - good to know I can't get a strike for misgendering now

I believe feminism can benefit men too - challenging the tiresome patriarchal gender norms like "boys don't cry" etc.

But t is not for men. It is not for everybody - it is the movement for the emancipation and equality of women. All women. Not men.

The world sure did get screwed up in the years I was distracted by having children I never saw this coming.

Well, in the case of Edward Lord, he's got so many public and other positions that maybe 'they' isn't inappropriate.

edwardlord.org/about/

'Edward’s pronouns are the singular ‘they/them/their’, but also accepts he/him/his. '

He probably has to deal with blokes who won't play the pronoun game with him.