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Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/11/2019 17:09

So, I got an email about a comment in which I said that I wanted to know why genderists keep comparing trans identified males to black women and lesbians being deleted. I think this is absolutely barmy, and have said so to HQ. I'm also baffled as to how this breaks any guidelines and thought perhaps it was time for us as a group to revisit the guidelines and explain once more to MNHQ why they're not working.

What's actually happening here is the the obsessive trans activists who monitor this site are attempting to pick off posters one by one. We lost Orchid last week, and she was just the most recent of many. I'm not sure in MNHQ realize that's happening and welcome it or if it's somehow escaped their notice, but it's a pretty messed up thing for them to be allowing to happen to their users, in my opinion. Are they going to allow this to continue until the only commenters left in this forum are the TRAs who want the entire site shut down?

I know the people who despise the women here would very much like this to all happen under the radar, and that's exactly why I'm not allowing it to play out that way.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 05/11/2019 23:06

Lang, the Freedom Programme could be of some assistance in this regard, no? Perhaps the mods could partake of said course. Novel idea, I know.

Creepster · 05/11/2019 23:05

Someone was deffo deleted for biscuiting Another poster

It was here on FWR.
It is considered a personal attack, I suppose.

MNHQ have stated, and even put in writing, that FWR is not a place for women to discuss Feminism and women's rights if it touches on trans or safeguarding.
On those issues FWR is where women are expected to have a civil debate so that MN can keep up the pretense that they are not exploiting the conflict between women's rights and transgender advocacy organizations.

LangCleg · 05/11/2019 22:55

Look, I love this site. At its best it's a brilliant resource for women, and it's full of wit and wisdom and collective knowledge about everything related to navigating life as a woman. But singling the feminists out for constant control at the behest of an activist group who're using the mod team as a proxy in their attempts to punish us for not doing what they want is just not OK and it needs to stop.

This.

What also needs to stop is the endless gaslighting from staffers that it's not actually happening.

theflushedzebra · 05/11/2019 22:39

Justine/Mumsnet used "go well" in an email to S. Hayden, don't forget.

Fuck! That's right, she did. Ugh - so Orchid "how awful for you" is on a par with Hayden - who dragged MNHQ through court proceedings to get the identity of one of their members? Riiiiight. Clearly comparable.

Catmaiden · 05/11/2019 22:30

@ErrolTheDragon lol
I do love a good HHGTTG reference :)

HandsOffMyRights · 05/11/2019 22:25

If we're talking borderline passive aggressive sarcasm, 'Go well' is right up there.

Agreed.

Justine/Mumsnet used "go well" in an email to S. Hayden, don't forget.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2019 22:23

Sorry, that's the Eccentrica Gallumbits one, not a proper biscuiting.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2019 22:22

BiscuitBiscuitBiscuit

Catmaiden · 05/11/2019 22:16

Maybe we all should use the Biscuit and see what happens.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/11/2019 22:04

Is anyone who's not a feminist deleted for using the biscuit? Cause if not, again, targeting the feminists and the feminists alone for multiple extra layers of control is not fair and is not a good look for a site aimed at women.

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BeyondBreakingPoint · 05/11/2019 22:02

That terven biscuit is the descendant of the biscuits they could not burn

OhHolyJesus · 05/11/2019 21:58

You're right about the strike systems too Prodigal I hadn't thought about it like that til now. Great post. It does need to stop.

theflushedzebra · 05/11/2019 21:56

(^witches biscuit) When actual terfs sorry, witches, sorry! women use it, it's deleted.

theflushedzebra · 05/11/2019 21:55
Halloween Biscuit
theflushedzebra · 05/11/2019 21:54

MNHQ introduced the biscuit as an emoji fgs - then decide that to use it, and just it alone, is suddenly a deletable offence!

How? You couldn't make it up.

MNHQ - if the Biscuit that you put on your website is suddenly worthy, on it's own, of deletion, why is it still here, available for use?

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/11/2019 21:30

The jammy dodger of contempt! Honestly that's just silly.

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 05/11/2019 21:18

isadora

Someone was deffo deleted for biscuiting Another poster

Not sure what board it was on though

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 05/11/2019 21:04

If we're talking borderline passive aggressive sarcasm, 'Go well' is right up there.

ControversialFerret · 05/11/2019 20:53

Look, I love this site. At its best it's a brilliant resource for women, and it's full of wit and wisdom and collective knowledge about everything related to navigating life as a woman. But singling the feminists out for constant control at the behest of an activist group who're using the mod team as a proxy in their attempts to punish us for not doing what they want is just not OK and it needs to stop.

Brava.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/11/2019 20:45

I'm sure I've put myself in the crosshairs both by starting this thread and by objecting to the original deletion and will be gone soon but again, the thing is, that's not OK. Retaliation against those who raise concerns is not OK. People who monitor the site but don't participate being allowed to pick us off by attrition until there's nobody left who can object to their plans for all of us is not OK. Mothers being banned for expressing concern about what they think another mother is going through is not OK. Making it so hard to express what you're trying to say while navigating the complex and ever open to interpretation rules that many women just give up is not OK. The rolling strike system is an appalling way to treat adult women who're trying to discuss something that's incredibly important to them - be a bit too honest once and just say what you're thinking instead of carefully self censoring and be very firmly told that that won't do and you'd better not do it again for a while or you're out.

The result is an environment that punishes the core users and keeps them on edge, and the people it's being done on behalf of still hate both us and MN in general and want to shut it down. Whatever is done to control how we speak it will never be enough for those people, because what they want is for us not to be allowed to speak at all.

Look, I love this site. At its best it's a brilliant resource for women, and it's full of wit and wisdom and collective knowledge about everything related to navigating life as a woman. But singling the feminists out for constant control at the behest of an activist group who're using the mod team as a proxy in their attempts to punish us for not doing what they want is just not OK and it needs to stop.

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theflushedzebra · 05/11/2019 20:32

Me too, Ferret, me too.

ControversialFerret · 05/11/2019 20:20

Piers Morgan has been cleared by Ofcom for his "strongly held beliefs."

I have a strongly held belief that it's impossible for human beings to change sex. A belief, that handily, is backed up by science. I believe that gender is a social construct and that putting on a dress and calling yourself 'Beryl' doesn't make you a woman. I believe that a woman is an adult human female - and that regardless of how you dress, what your name is or the way you choose to identify, your biological sex is immutable and you will always be female.

I also have a strongly held belief that forcing people to use language and accept ideas which run completely contrary to this fact, is a form of coercive control. And when those people affected are disproportionately women, that it's a form of control which is rooted in sexism and misogyny.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2019 17:03

Thanks for the update Hope - as I said last night, I'd rather have a considered response than a quick one.

HandsOffMyRights · 05/11/2019 16:55

Thanks Hope. Can I add that I have not been informed in email of my deletions by Mumsnet.

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HopeMumsnet · 05/11/2019 16:52

Hi all,
We're sorry for the delay in responding to the various queries that have come up on this thread but rest assured we are reading and having a think and preparing a response.
If you could all bear with us a bit longer, we'd be really grateful.