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Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/11/2019 17:09

So, I got an email about a comment in which I said that I wanted to know why genderists keep comparing trans identified males to black women and lesbians being deleted. I think this is absolutely barmy, and have said so to HQ. I'm also baffled as to how this breaks any guidelines and thought perhaps it was time for us as a group to revisit the guidelines and explain once more to MNHQ why they're not working.

What's actually happening here is the the obsessive trans activists who monitor this site are attempting to pick off posters one by one. We lost Orchid last week, and she was just the most recent of many. I'm not sure in MNHQ realize that's happening and welcome it or if it's somehow escaped their notice, but it's a pretty messed up thing for them to be allowing to happen to their users, in my opinion. Are they going to allow this to continue until the only commenters left in this forum are the TRAs who want the entire site shut down?

I know the people who despise the women here would very much like this to all happen under the radar, and that's exactly why I'm not allowing it to play out that way.

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TinselAngel · 08/11/2019 20:58

So much of your post rings true for trans widows, talking. The DARVO of us being the oppressor when really we are the oppressed.

SisterWendyBuckett · 08/11/2019 20:55

Thank you Talking.
It's a relief to read the truth.

theflushedzebra · 08/11/2019 20:54

We are not the oppressors of males who want to be us.

theflushedzebra · 08/11/2019 20:52

MNHQ - We are WOMEN. Not men, not male, not "identifying" as women. WOMEN. Adult human females. The ones who had a liberation movement in the 1960s. The ones who are still not equal.

Please listen to the most excellent points Talking made, and please recognise this as what it is - no different from the silencing of the Suffragettes. We are on the right side of history.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/11/2019 20:47

Brilliant post, Talking, and I cosign every single bit of it.

When TRAs say that women are oppressing them it's because they are misogynists. It's no different from MRAs saying that women are oppressing them, and no more accurate.

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theflushedzebra · 08/11/2019 20:46

Love this - never seen this picture before.

I feel that women are going to have to return to this level of campaigning - that's how far our rights have been taken back.

Oh look, it's those guidelines making no sense whatsoever again!
theflushedzebra · 08/11/2019 20:41

ChampagneGalop that is a great thread - the parallels with the Suffragette movement are stark - including the fact that groups of women DID collude with men to say "we don't need the vote."

Plus ca change I suppose. Now women are grouping together to welcome males into women's spaces - they have no right to give away my rights like that, just because they don't want them.

BeMoreMagdalen · 08/11/2019 20:40

Yeah, that's another Pronouns are Rohypnol, to my mind. Some posts just manage to encapsulate the heart of this. That's one undoubtedly.

MrsSnippyPants · 08/11/2019 20:37

I have asked Talking if I can share it on a platform apart from here. Awaiting her response, I know this is a public space but I prefer to get permission before sharing more widely.

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 08/11/2019 20:37

Actually TalkingintheDark, I think that wonderful explanation of the reality of what is happening, deserves a thread of its own. By no stretch of the imagination is it in any way transphobic, even though those who wish to have power over women will scream otherwise.

Driechdrizzle · 08/11/2019 20:36

Talking, I've saved your post on to my computer. I've never done something like that before.

I'd like to co-sign if you'd be willing to allow other people to support your post in that way.

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 08/11/2019 20:34

That has actually taken my breath away, TalkingintheDark. You have put into words all the concerns and realities behind why women are being treated less favourably than males who identify as other. Bravo. That needs to be on Twitter and across the internet.

TheChampagneGalop · 08/11/2019 20:23

I want to share an interesting twitter thread about suffragettes that shows parallels with how uppity women were portrayed then and now.
twitter.com/LaraAdamsMille1/status/1192829676860903426

FadingStar · 08/11/2019 19:30

Talking, that was brilliant. I have two strikes in two weeks for stating that I do not accept the lies we are being fed...women are not being allowed to stand against their abuse and persecution on a feminist board on a women's forum for fear of punishment. It is so medieval and so wrong.

The guidelines are so anti-women. It is disgusting.

CeridwenTheWitch · 08/11/2019 19:26

Brilliant post Talking, you've worded it so clearly.

ScapaFlo · 08/11/2019 19:25

Stuck a foat, Talking, that actually brought a lump to my throat. Brava 👏👏

Quick, someone save it!! Or please tell me how I can on the app.

Driechdrizzle · 08/11/2019 19:24

Thank you so much Talking for so beautifully articulating the truth. Agree with every word. Also agree that it is the best post on Mumsnet, ever. It's true that Mumsnet wouldn't exist if feminists hadn't existed first. Women speaking freely is not something that male supremacy wants to allow, hence their attempts to shut us down.

What is actually happening to women here is a form of persecution.

Yes it is. You're exactly right.

LangCleg · 08/11/2019 19:19

Please someone post it on spinster etc.

Talking - if you want, I can do that for you?

DubiousGoals · 08/11/2019 19:18

Thank you Talking, what a wonderful post.

ThanksThanksThanks

Joisanofthedales · 08/11/2019 19:14

So maybe having read that incredible post we can have a change in guidance for the feminist section of mumsnet.

Joisanofthedales · 08/11/2019 19:12

Wonderful post by talking. Please someone post it on spinster etc. Let's spread it to other women FlowersFlowersFlowers

Uncompromisingwoman · 08/11/2019 19:06

Great post Talking. Flowers

I wonder how many times it has been reported - that would be very telling...

Ereshkigal · 08/11/2019 19:04

Amazing post, Talking Thanks

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 08/11/2019 19:01

Yep. Copied. Excellent post. Every word.

PurpleCrowbar · 08/11/2019 18:57

Exactly that Talking.

It's an amazing post, to add to our arsenal of outstanding posts which go viral on other platforms after being (potentially) deleted here.

& I really hope MN let it stand. But if not, that is also making our argument for us.Thanks