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Maxine Blythin - 2019 Kent Woman Player of the Year

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andyoldlabour · 04/11/2019 14:41

I don't know how this passed me by, but transgender cricketer Maxine Blythin was awarded 2019 Kent Woman Player of the Year.
I have no words left to describe this situation, none at all.

www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/sport/stevo-wins-big-at-kent-awards-213134/

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IWantADifferentName · 07/11/2019 08:49

I’d like to comment on this but I I think my brain is exploding. Why are so many people oblivious to what is going on??!?!?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 07/11/2019 08:48

She has trotted out the official line. How will she feel when she is dropped?

NotBadConsidering · 07/11/2019 08:44

“Epically shut down” based on one person’s tweeted reply?

“Mic drop” Hmm? Does Vicky Castle have aspirations to be a real journalist one day I wonder?

Incidentally did anyone ask Tammy Beaumont why we have men’s cricket and women’s cricket in the first place?

zanahoria · 07/11/2019 08:38

" But her impressive club appearances have been clouded by transphobic abuse from the group Fair Play for Women"

www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/katie-hopkins-epically-shut-down-3507644.amp

not a scrap of evidence.

littlbrowndog · 06/11/2019 19:29

And of course a woman will lose herv place on the team

But hey who cares. Long as we are inclusive

OldCrone · 06/11/2019 19:02

Asking the trans individual which communal changing room they wish to use (I assume without asking players of whichever sex that is) not so much.

Are all the parents aware that there might be boys in the girls' changing rooms?

TheShoesa · 06/11/2019 18:46

Treating all players and spectators with respect is great.

Asking the trans individual which communal changing room they wish to use (I assume without asking players of whichever sex that is) not so much.

To be honest it reads as though they expect any trans player to be transsexual GID sufferers rather than anyone else under the umbrella. It contradicts itself. And chucks bits of the EA in here and there for no apparent reason.

I imagine that I would be considered terribly transphobic for wanting to protect sports for women born female.

TheShoesa · 06/11/2019 18:37

OlCrone It is a bit of a mish mash. It uses transsexual and transgender interchangeably. Says there must be no restriction to compete unless necessary for fair and safe play. That a trans person should be treated as the sex in which they present, not their birth sex (I suppose this is why they are not interested in knowing the participant's sex at all) unless this would give the trans person an unfair advantage. Then reminds the reader that this particular sport is an impact sport and safety is paramount.

OldCrone · 06/11/2019 18:15

We ask about gender rather than sex as this is all we need to know with regards to our transgender policy

What does their transgender policy say?

TheShoesa · 06/11/2019 18:03

This gem was on an email from my child's sports club when I queried them asking for gender identity:

'We ask about gender rather than sex as this is all we need to know with regards to our transgender policy, and it is regarded by many as a more inclusive method of collecting the info we require

I don't even know what that means!!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/11/2019 17:41

And inclusive used to mean making adaptions for people with disabilities or additional needs... now it’s just paint a rainbow on it.

teawamutu · 06/11/2019 17:31

A a woman, you can also be excluded from a women's team because of the decision to be 'inclusive' to a player born male.

So progressive.

koshkat · 06/11/2019 16:56

Yes whenever I see/hear 'inclusive' now my hackles raise because I expect something that excludes women.

RoyalCorgi · 06/11/2019 15:32

Cricket is a sport for all and no one should be excluded because of who they are.

It's so bizarrely stupid. You can be excluded from playing for the English team because you're not English. You can be excluded from playing for the under-18s side because you're 25. You can be excluded from playing from the women's team because you're not a woman.

TheShoesa · 06/11/2019 14:57

'Inclusive' is the word that I am seeing everywhere as justification for everything that discriminates against female born women.

'we need gender identity info to ensure we progress as an inclusive sport'

Siameasy · 06/11/2019 14:47

The woke allies have only got buzzwords and set phrases which mean nothing.

Cricket is a sport for all and no one should be excluded because of who they are.

I’m Siameasy and I’m crap at cricket but no one should be excluded because of who they are so let me on the team. It’s just waffle.

Kit19 · 06/11/2019 14:40

What Tammy means is “I haven’t done any research because let’s face it, the moment I suggest Maxine has an unfair advantage I’m out of the team plus it’s not as if any men from Kent CC management is going to stop up to get in the firing line”

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2019 14:34

What I don't understand is how this is not discriminating against women with the protected characteristic of 'sex'

It's not you - it's them (ie clubs, sports bodies) not understanding that's what they're doing. Or understanding but not caring.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2019 14:32

Cricket is a sport for all and no one should be excluded because of who they are.

Blythin isn't excluded from cricket - can and does play for a mens team.

Re the 'taking it out on individuals' - I'd lay much of the blame on clubs and sporting bodies which are being unfair to women in their misguided methods of 'inclusiveness', but individuals are responsible for their own choices. Compare and contrast Anne Veriato

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3736554-Transwoman-MMA-fighter-says-unfair-to-compete-against-women

TheShoesa · 06/11/2019 14:25

What I don't understand is how this is not discriminating against women with the protected characteristic of 'sex'

The EA allows not having people born male who have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment on teams for women born female to allow for safe and fair competition. Why won't these sporting bodies exercise that right? (That's a rhetorical question btw!)

koshkat · 06/11/2019 14:05

Tammy Beaumont is being so foolish and short sighted here. I think that she sees herself as 'kind'

andyoldlabour · 06/11/2019 13:55

The latest article from our wondrous KentOnline. I don't think this story is going away.
Sadly, the current Kent Captain Tammy Beaumont, said:

""As far as I'm aware there's no conclusive proof of any 'advantages' of being a trans woman in cricket."

I wonder if Tammy will be saying that when she cannot get a place in the team?

www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/dont-speak-for-me-or-my-ovaries-215668/

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andyoldlabour · 06/11/2019 13:04

It's already happened in Iran. Apparently their women's football team almost entirely consists of transwomen."

This is the Iranian women's football team playing last year in the CAFA, no sign of transwomen there.
I think what you are referring to, happened back in 2015, when an Iranian football official had a training session interrupted and then threw out several male players dressed in the women's hejab kit. Unlike our authoritites, the Iranian authorities then had every squad player "gender" tested.

en.irna.ir/news/83119182/Iran-football-team-runner-up-at-CAFA-Women-s-Champs

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koshkat · 06/11/2019 12:40

Was just thinking that perhaps Kent CC didn't have a choice in awarding MB the award - what shouldn't have happened was that MB was employed to join the team at all.

This is the point I made but was deleted. If you take the position that X is truly female then you HAVE to give them the award for women if their stats are the best and the award is based on stats. Otherwise you are admitting that you do not really see X as a woman. So any mediocre XY player will ALWAYS get such an award over an XX person because they are hugely advantaged in the women's game.

Hope to god that this does not also get deleted...

NotTerfNorCis · 06/11/2019 12:19

It's already happened in Iran. Apparently their women's football team almost entirely consists of transwomen.