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LET'S GET LABOUR TO PROTECT SINGLE-SEX SPACES

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keeponspinning · 04/11/2019 10:47

You don't have to be a member to write in a suggestion for the manifesto. In my CLP many people agree with me about this but also seem to see it as a 'niche' issue that 'doesn't come up on the doorstep'. Let's show them how much it matters to us.
labour.org.uk/manifesto-2019/

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moofolk · 07/11/2019 22:36

I've been so disappointed by the Labour Party line on this issue but they remain the absolute best option politically.

I think it's important to push for safe, single sex spaces and support them for the general election.

Labour is not one behemoth but many people and many CLPs, most of whom would actually support single sex spaces in principle. Yes the train to wokeville is full steam ahead and many people see this as a side issue but we have to keep it going, without discrediting Labour.

I see so many feminists online say they can't vote for labour but for goddess' sake, no more bastard tories! Please!

keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 18:56

Oh God. LIterallyProblematic, you're right :-(
Great letter though. Hopefully we can at least do some damage control.

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LiterallyProblematic · 07/11/2019 18:43

This element of the manifesto is being written by Dawn Butler so essentially we are fucked.

LiterallyProblematic · 07/11/2019 18:34

I sent this:

I am writing to you to urge you to ensure that women’s sex based rights are protected in the Labour Party manifesto. I am a loyal Labour voter and a party member. I fully support our brilliant MP and plan to trudge the streets as often as I can urging people to vote for her through canvassing or leafletting. I firmly believe that a Labour government is the only chance we have for a better and fairer society.
I believe that if the Labour Party goes down the route which denies women the right to organise as a biological sex, and allows trans identifying men to self identify in to the legal status of ‘woman’ then we are guaranteed to lose the election. The vast majority of the electorate do not agree with self ID, and do not believe the rhetoric of transgender rights activists.
The tide of public opinion is also turning on the issue of trans children. Children, some very young have been allowed, even encouraged to take life limiting medications and some older children are having irreversible surgeries. In the last few years there has been an astronomical rise in the number of children identifying as trans, and presenting at NHS gender clinics. This is an issue which will not go away, and one which the electorate are becoming increasingly aware of, especially since there is an ever increasing flow of young people regretful of their medical transition.
I will find it impossible to canvas for a party whose electoral success would have a profoundly negative impact on the lives of women and children around the country. I sincerely hope that you will be able to ensure the protections of women’s and children’s rights in the manifesto.

LiterallyProblematic · 07/11/2019 18:32

I posted about this a week ago and my thread was deleted. Good luck.

keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 18:19

I have started a spreadsheet of members who are sympathetic to the GC position. I will gradually try to add to it and then when the time comes to have a vote make sure they go to the meeting. I'm told this is how it is done. I think I have to play the long game. Women (particularly working class women) are affected by more than just self-ID. I know it underpins everything but so does having enough to feed your kids.

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keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 18:15

Sorry to hear that AbsintheFriends. That's rubbish :-(

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keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 18:15

Genderism is fundamentally not left wing and there are a fair few people in the Labour party who know that. They just aren't shouting about it, frustratingly.

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Inebriati · 07/11/2019 16:42

We can't play them at their game, because, we are women and it doesn't work that way for us.
People who support genderism just don't see us as fully human.

AbsintheFriends · 07/11/2019 16:10

I'm in one of the most marginal seats in the country. I've written to my Labour MP twice and had one 'shut up transphobe' response that didn't address any of the points I raised at all. I did consider sending the Simon Fanshaw article, but there's no point. She's made her lack of thoughts crystal clear and for that reason won't be getting my vote this time around.

The trouble is, it's such a tight race between Tory and Labour that a vote for any other party is a shout into the void. To have a chance of keeping her from getting a second term I need to vote Tory, and that feels like a desperate pact with the devil.

keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 15:53

Incidentally, this kind of approach is precisely why the TRAs have been so effective at regulatory capture. Play them at their own game. Does anyone think Aimee Challenor joined the Greens and then the Lib Dems for any other reason?

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keeponspinning · 07/11/2019 15:51

Labour isn't one thing. Labour is made up of members who all have different views ranging from TRA to GC with indifferent and ignorant inbetween. Members can influence decision-making. At the end of this election we are going to have either a Labour-led government or a Conservative-led government, that is a reality. I am sickened by the response of many in the Labour party to this issue but we are not powerless here. If you agree with their other policies, join the Labour party and start conversations, make lists of who is GC. Get enough people together to make a difference. There is safety in numbers. Run for officer positions, support GC candidates for the NEC etc with your vote. I left a few months ago and realised it didn't make a blind bit of different. No one cared that I'd taken my bat and ball home. That is not how you get change. Change is slow and it takes effort and cunning.

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PhonicTheHedgehog · 04/11/2019 17:35

Maybe! So frustrating though.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/11/2019 17:18

We may have filled their inbox Grin

PhonicTheHedgehog · 04/11/2019 17:17

I keep getting an error message when I try to send.

Michelleoftheresistance · 04/11/2019 16:58

I don't think you're ever going to wrench the wheel around on that speeding tanker. Labour in its current incarnation is an anti female party, it has been demonstrated repeatedly, and I wouldn't trust or vote for them regardless of what went on their manifesto at this point.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2019 12:39

Does somebody want to do a template for us to send? I'm short on time with all my other T**Fing.

BlooperReel · 04/11/2019 12:35

I've filled out the form, although I do not hold out much hope for Labour to do a u-turn on this.

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/11/2019 12:33

My Labour MP is full on TWAW.
Sports - women should just try harder
Strangely enough she got her very safe seat via an AWS.
I guess she'd be quite happy for them to all be TW shortlists.

teawamutu · 04/11/2019 12:27

Right side of history = wrong side of the House of Commons. Maybe then they'll get it.

lady69 · 04/11/2019 12:16

Labour are fully onboard the transtrain to wokeville. That and the antisemitism makes them unelectable to me.

Nappyvalley15 · 04/11/2019 11:22

If their minds could be changed on this they would win so many votes. If they genuinely cared about the poor GRA reform would not be in the manifesto as their aim should be to win power and they have persuaded few outside of their woke niche that it is necessary and their blind rush towards it has alienated so many sensible voters.

Would a mass mailing of Simon Fanshawe's article help labour MPs and candidates see the light? It is so comprehensive and so measured.

teawamutu · 04/11/2019 11:14

Ooo nice, Samphire

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/11/2019 11:03

Thanks tea I used that as a starting point for mine. I'm OK once I get started, but I often need a short framework to get going Smile

I ended by asking them to look up the term regulatory capture!

morningtoncrescent62 · 04/11/2019 11:03

Also, don't forget to get in touch with your Labour candidate, especially if you're in a marginal.

Seconded. My Labour candidate is GC and not being open about it at the moment. I'm trying to persuade her that there are more votes in her coming out as being in favour of protecting women's sex-based rights, even with the social media furore that there would undoubtedly be, than in her remaining silent. The more people she hears from, the more likely that she'll begin speaking out.