Questions for trans rights activists, collected in one place

Are endocrinologists considered to be experts about the existence of "gender identity" and its origins?

I believe the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) came out of the Endocrine Society originally.

Last time Joss joined us on FWR, Joss explained that Joss thinks Joss is a woman because Joss 'navigates the world' as a woman, which means that a bloke once said 'love' when brushing past Joss.

There may be more to it than that, unfortunately, as a self-identified troll, Joss was quickly re-banned before we could try and get a few more snippets of questions answered. Shame.

Trans people have definitions imposed on them by society, they dont invent these definitions

Honestly, when will this preciousness cease...We ALL have definitions imposed on us.....that is the central nub of all liberation movements.

You are putting the horse before the cart.......I cannot even believe that we are having this discussion. Material reality exists. The physical world exists. What exists in our heads is largely transient.

*Or Joss is having that definition imposed on them, the definition of a trans woman is a biological male who lives as a woman8

No, that is the reality.....What you seem to be saying there is no such thing as material reality and that everyone can make it up as they go along........We can all legitimately 'identify' as things we are transparently not, and demand legal rights to accompany our identity. Even though identity, in itself, is not a fixed or static thing - and changes with time. Unlike Sex.

It seems to be more about established definitions society has, and their experience of moving through them in other peoples judgement, just by doing what comes naturally and instinctively

Come on.....Get with it......This has long been the goal of liberation movements: both the women's and the gay....

There is nothing new to see here......

In another culture it may be two-spirit, these definitions are invented and imposed by majority rule, always

Don't be daft! Biological sex is not an invention - it is a reality.

What is an 'invention' and 'imposition' is a series of rigid & prescriptive behaviours and 'likes' for each biological sex.

I'm certainly not one for holding scientific orthodoxy up for worship - but ya' know: somethings just are.......

Trans people have definitions imposed on them by society, they dont invent these definitions

To put it another way, why would someone who is biologically male believe they were female, and how would they expect to be recognised socially as female, without making use of social/cultural stereotypes?

Perhaps trans people should make more effort not to be constrained by stereotypes, instead of claiming that they Are Women & Are Men.

Joss is talking out of their arse about endocrinologists. They deal with bodies and hormones, plain old fashioned biology. They are not gender doctors, they are doctors of the endocrine system.

Excellent!

the definition of a trans woman is a biological male who lives as a woman, that is a pre-existing definition trans people fall into by default.

How does a man 'live as a woman'?

but isn't that defining 'woman' by social stereotypes rather then biological reality?

Or Joss is having that definition imposed on them, the definition of a trans woman is a biological male who lives as a woman, that is a pre-existing definition trans people fall into by default.
Trans people have definitions imposed on them by society, they dont invent these definitions.

In another culture it may be two-spirit, these definitions are invented and imposed by majority rule, always.

Joss has posted the Endocrine Society position statement which is quite a favourite of TRAs. Joss says "endocrinologists consider gender identity to be innate, as much as sexual characteristics are." Are endocrinologists considered to be experts about the existence of "gender identity" and its origins?

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1191003458859610112

freethegenders but isn't that defining 'woman' by social stereotypes rather then biological reality?

To be fair I think if you read through, Joss isn't claiming that makes them female or claiming to have the same experience as other women.

It seems to be more about established definitions society has, and their experience of moving through them in other peoples judgement, just by doing what comes naturally and instinctively.

Quote from Joss:

What am I transitioning to and from?

From: A depression and anxiety crippled identity mandated by mainstream society and patriarchal structures.

To: A free and expressive identity that allows me to embrace what I am naturally drawn to, without censure.

So pretty much what many GC feminists say they would like to see happen for males with GD, but without the extra dash of patriarchal bullshit that says that such a person doesn't count as a real man and is therefore a woman. Yeah, totally progressive

Great questions, and I see a Twitter TRA has put a lot of effort into answering them.

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1191003442640236545?s=19

These are great. Copied into my Notes.

@JellySlice 😂

CranberriesChoccy - I think you'll find they're not made up. What RMcK might actually say, OTOH...

Excellent questions.

Perhaps RMcK will paricipate with made-up bollocks, what with their expertise on not knowing you're talking about.

Thank you Ben. Great questions. Tumbleweed will be the response sadly.

Why would you assume that these vastly different groups have anything in common? You do (you say it is gender identity) yet you medicalise the kids and let the middle aged men LARP as women often with no treatment. This makes no sense

I can’t argue with this one.