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realitycalling · 2019-11-03T08:29:04+00:00

The Sunday Times reporting a long overdue judicial review after an (alleged) sexual assault on a woman prisoner by a male born trans rapist who had been placed in a female prison. (trying to be careful with language given the oppressive monitors who try to control this board). And they've reported on the Centre Parks issue as well as a prominent article about that major brands like Unilever and Heinz advertising on Pornhub that's awash with child sex abuse. Share token: [[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/female-prisoner-takes-government-to-court-after-alleged-assault-by-transgender-inmate-n5wtg2nf7?shareToken=f2e99b28b2f234eb7e84b0c4484e7254]]

littlbrowndog · 28/10/2020 11:59

Judicial review for woman prisoner alleging sexual assault by trans rapist in prison

RedDogsBeg · 28/10/2020 11:53

If the argument from the SSJ/Government is that they were given and followed incorrect legal advice why don't they just own up to that and formally agree within the Court that they will now implement the correct legal position.

SSJ/Government can deal with those who gave the incorrect advice separately.

Manderleyagain · 28/10/2020 11:52

The hashtag to follow is #womenprisonjr

Manderleyagain · 28/10/2020 11:51

Yes it looks suspiciously like a way of keeping the advice & some of the decision making process out of public domain to me, but I do usually go with cock up rather than conspiracy. If they really wanted to keep it hidden I think they'd make the case for privilege.

But I guess the judge thinks the case is about if the decision was illegal, not why it was made.

Datun · 28/10/2020 11:45

@Manderleyagain

Fair play for women, object, and keep prisons single sex (no xy in xx prisons) are all live tweeting so it's quite useful to watch them all to get a full picture. No Xy is the most detailed.

Karon Monoghan is barrister for claimant. I think that's really good if you Google her to see how significant she is in the world of equality & discrimination law. She wrote the book on it.

I think what's happening is:
Defence didn't supply evidence of the legal advice that the minister used to make decision (& maybe other docs) until 40 mins before case. Claimant has asked for time to look at it properly. Defence say some is privileged (not clear in what way) & minister hasn't had time to waive privilege. Judges say they don't need to see the advice to decide if the actions taken were lawful.
I think what advice was given will only become relevant if judges do decide that decisions were unlawful, but maybe not even then.

So we've got this damning and incriminating information, but we're submitting it late so you have only seconds to read it, even though it's the crux of the argument, and anyway, we are hellbent on it not being made public.

Okaaay?

For fuck's sake.

Manderleyagain · 28/10/2020 11:41

Fair play for women, object, and keep prisons single sex (no xy in xx prisons) are all live tweeting so it's quite useful to watch them all to get a full picture. No Xy is the most detailed.

Karon Monoghan is barrister for claimant. I think that's really good if you Google her to see how significant she is in the world of equality & discrimination law. She wrote the book on it.

I think what's happening is:
Defence didn't supply evidence of the legal advice that the minister used to make decision (& maybe other docs) until 40 mins before case. Claimant has asked for time to look at it properly. Defence say some is privileged (not clear in what way) & minister hasn't had time to waive privilege. Judges say they don't need to see the advice to decide if the actions taken were lawful.
I think what advice was given will only become relevant if judges do decide that decisions were unlawful, but maybe not even then.

RedDogsBeg · 28/10/2020 11:41

Reading the FPFW thread it comes across to me as an arse covering, not me Guv stance on the part of either, or both, the MOJ and SSJ.

Datun · 28/10/2020 11:40

I bet they won't allow it.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2020 11:37

Reconvening ....

littlbrowndog · 28/10/2020 11:36

Update. Not sure what thread we should be on

Datun · 28/10/2020 11:33

@RedDogsBeg

Datun I was reading it on the No XY in XX Prisons site and was also confused, I'm guessing SSJ stands for Secretary of State for Justice (?) is the privilege referred to something to do with Parliamentary Privilege?

I don't know. I assumed it was for information that might be considered a little too hot to handle and so the public shouldn't hear about it? A reputation protecting thing. And arse covering thing. A 'we can't let the public see that, it makes us look like twats' thing.

RedDogsBeg · 28/10/2020 11:27

Datun I was reading it on the No XY in XX Prisons site and was also confused, I'm guessing SSJ stands for Secretary of State for Justice (?) is the privilege referred to something to do with Parliamentary Privilege?

Datun · 28/10/2020 11:25

Just reading Fairplay on Twitter. Have I got this right? Is it correct that the wrong, illegal, and bad advice that the MOJ was given won't be disclosed?

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 28/10/2020 11:03

shameless placemark. payday tomorrow so will do a spot of digging then!

Datun · 28/10/2020 10:56

@littlbrowndog

👍👍👍💪

The avengers assembly. Love it.

It's brilliant. All super heroes.

littlbrowndog · 28/10/2020 10:44

👍👍👍💪

The avengers assembly. Love it.

boatyardblues · 28/10/2020 10:43

@DerryWitch

Janice Turner is here. Also Nic Williams. Also the women behind Object! And the new campaign Keep Prisons Single Sex. Also Belstaffie the ex prison officer.

It’s like Avengers Assemble, but way cooler. Good luck everyone. 🤞

DerryWitch · 28/10/2020 10:29

Janice Turner is here. Also Nic Williams. Also the women behind Object! And the new campaign Keep Prisons Single Sex. Also Belstaffie the ex prison officer.

Datun · 28/10/2020 10:28

"For to prevent"?

That's Datun nailing the articulation there

Datun · 28/10/2020 10:24

@RozWatching

Keeping everything crossed!

I hope one day FPFW gets the official recognition it deserves. In the meantime it would be great if BBC and co could stop trying to undermine them. It's despicable, considering what is at stake.

Indeed.

Being criticised for to prevent vulnerable women, over 60% of whom have already endured some kind of domestic/sexual violence, from being bloody raped whilst incarcerated in your country's prisons system?

It doesn't get much lower.

Datun · 28/10/2020 10:21

@ArabellaScott

'it’s precisely because some male sex offenders have a GRC that MOJ says they MUST be housed on the women’s prison estate to have ‘association with other women’'

There we have it, males need access to women's spaces not because of fears for their safeety, it's that they need women to 'associate' with. Support humans, cameos in the role play.

Ugh. It's just disgusting.

And don't forget that women who object, are the sort who 'enjoy conflict'.

RozWatching · 28/10/2020 10:20

Keeping everything crossed!

I hope one day FPFW gets the official recognition it deserves. In the meantime it would be great if BBC and co could stop trying to undermine them. It's despicable, considering what is at stake.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2020 10:08

above from FPFW's Twitter.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2020 10:07

'it’s precisely because some male sex offenders have a GRC that MOJ says they MUST be housed on the women’s prison estate to have ‘association with other women’'

There we have it, males need access to women's spaces not because of fears for their safeety, it's that they need women to 'associate' with. Support humans, cameos in the role play.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/10/2020 10:06

Will be following online.