What are T***s and why has Cambridge's Student's Union publishes a guide to spotting them?

@HandsOffMyRights

Thank you, I despair that the wellbeing and safety of women is a worthless cause compared to validating the feelings of men. Haven't they had enough privilege? They demand more and more at the expense of the other 51% of the population.
It seems we've been reduced to a commodity based solely on our ability to gestate children, we've no other place or purpose.

Oh and Fanny great post, sorry for derailing. I await Frack's response.

Inclusive Cambridge, where female councillor Ann Sinnot was forced to resign because the council
'failed to recognise female-only facilities needed by women as generality.'

A council that 'insidiously dismantled' women's rights'

And how did the Lib Dems respond (see screenshot).

This is a place that doesn't like women. No wonder students are showing such misogyny.

@FrackOff

Quite, therein lies the issue. You cherry picked which bits to answer (judging by your reply, I assume you had no retort for the rest). Reasonable arguments are silenced through attempted ridicule. It says much more about you than me (and the women who agree with feminism being about females). I wonder if you'd give such an insulting, disparaging answer to victims of male violence?

Karen White perfectly demonstrates the consequences of men accessing women's spaces. A single woman who suffers due to the woke brigade's appeasement of these delusions is one too many. Men already rape and kill women without access being made even easier.

I also think you'll find it's far more than one bad person. Men kill women at an average of 2-3 per week.

No, she doesn't represent all mothers, but the difference here is that particular case resulted in legislation, policy and practice changes which meant babies have more protection from unfit parents. People were held responsible and punished.
Even after Karen White sexually assaulted 2 female inmates, men continue to be given unfettered access to sex segregated spaces and women's facilities are being actively removed in order to accommodate men. This is placing even more women at risk.

Your comparison is irrelevant here as is your wharaboutery and NAMALT trope.

Also, sex is binary and biology in no way supports a 'range' (don't embarrass yourself using the intersex argument, it is an entirely different entity altogether). Did you confuse it with gender, perhaps?

Frack
You undermine anyone taking your point seriously by the use of bla bla bla. It’s almost as though you’re not interested in a coherent, evidence based discussion of your point of view but are here to troll instead.

What is a hate-crime?

It is not a specific offence. A hate-crime is any other crime that would still be a crime even if it wasn't a hate-crime, in which the expressed hate is an aggravating factor.

This is not to be confused with a 'hate incident' which is absolutely anything absolutely anyone says it is, and which must be accepted as such even in the absence of any evidence.

Bla bla bla biology, bla bla bla one bad person representing a whole class

The biology supports the range of sex expressions.

Karen White is a terrible person, but doesn't represent trans people just as Baby P's mum doesnt represent mothers

@FrackOff

It's just stereotyping, hatred and prejudice.

Women refusing to centre men in feminsm isn't any of the things you accuse us of. Feminism is inclusive of all biological women, including those who identify as men so not trans exclusionary at all, only exclusionary of men (and for good reason).

There is no hatred or prejudice in biological fact.

Although, I daresay, Karen White had hatred for the vulnerable women and children he sexually assaulted (a convicted paedophile and on remand for grievous bodily harm, burglary, multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women quote from the guardian).
Do you not have any hatred for him?! Or is he undeserving of that because he is has a dick but wears a bad wig and make-up?

Ironic that you say stereotyping though. This is exactly what men are doing when 'identifying as women'. Their only experience of womanhood is their observance of the stereotypical female tropes, they have no idea what womanhood actually entails so they resort to a mansplained parody which is bastardised beyond recognition (see Lily Madigan, Rachael McKinnon and Jessica Yaniv for more very clear examples of this).

You really should think before you attempt to preach anything. But points for an attempt at a witty post

'Children' in the uk don't qualify for surgery.
I agree it's not transphobia though. It's not phobia. It's just stereotyping, hatred and prejudice.

When I was at Cambridge in the early 2000s, the CUSU Women's Group took a minibus to London, to (playfully!) protest the Miss World competition. We were on the front page of the Metro, in sashes and feather boas and fake tiaras. It felt very much like a safe space for women.

So sad that it has come to this. Championing the needs of transwomen naturally causes conflict with the needs of non transwomen, especially those women who belong to certain religions. How is that feminism?

You have to ask - what is a hate crime?
To be a crime, has it got to be reported or investigated?
Is a hate crime - receiving a "dodgy" look from someone, misgendering because you really do not look like the gender you say you represent?
Is it because you have reported a sticker on a bus shelter saying - "Woman = Human Female"?
Is it because as a male bodied person, you have invaded a female place, such as a changing room and disrobed deliberately, revealing your obvious male body, and then been asked to leave because a human female has complained about you?
I suspect that many of the above are counted as "Hate" crimes.

@StrangeLookingParasite

Mentioning the penises constitutes high treason.

They'll be checking us for extra nipples next.

Nice. So they have published their equivalent of the The Discovery of Witches.

How can no body at Cambridge pull them up on what they are doing?

Mentioning trans people is a hate crime, and so is failing to mention them.

transphobic hate crimes have risen by 271% since 2015.

Wow, that sounds really terrrible. Until I start asking 'what is a hate crime?' 'What constitutes a hate crime'?

They looked at me the wrong way, they used the wrong pronouns, they didn't agree with my every thought, word and deed.

Speaking of privilege, because I know the guide will, how many "T*RFS" went to Oxford or Cambridge?

This is old news, isn't it? I thought the guide came out ages ago - I'm sure I remember a thread about it.

CUSU’s guide was written with the collaboration of the CUSU Women’s Campaign and the CUSU LGBTQ+ group

Oh, that's ok then. They absolutely must be top class feminists.

In 2019 in Cambridgeshire alone, transphobic hate crimes have risen by 271% since 2015.

Can't make rhyme or reason of this.

Statistics from FOIs show 25 hate crimes in 2018/19, crime stats show 32.

For 2014/15 it was 7, for 2015/16 it was 8.

The actual increases, taking these numbers are

7-25 = 257%
7-32 = 357%
8-25 = 212%
8-32 = 300%

So the maths seems wonky to me.

As there is no hate crime without a crime, these are actual crimes committed against people who identify as trans that the police has registered as being motivated by transphobia.

Bringing up this issue in an article about radical feminist and gender critical objections to transgender ideology at the very least subtly implies but in my opinion clearly creates a causal relation between arguing against transgender ideology and legislation and the increase in actual crimes committed against people who identify as trans.

However, it is highly unlikely that the people committing these crimes are motivated by the feminist class-based analysis of the oppression of females by males and the need for females to be protected from male violence, which is of course at the root of our objections.

That's why I give no credence to this statistic being used appropriately in this article and not merely as propaganda.

Women with opinions making the world unsafe for those poor students

How is it 'interesting' that someone who didn't agree with something highlighted the bit of it that sounded stupid and dangerous and not the other bits?

Is that where we are now? People who disagree aren't allowed to dissect an argument?

I'm really looking forward to PMQs with this new form of debate. 'I like this bit of your manifesto', 'thanks, there is some dodgy shit in there but luckily no-one's holding us to account!'.

or ...

The guide is to ensure movements in the University are safe and inclusive for everyone

...unless of course you're a woman who understands what biological sex is and believes in supporting and protecting women's sex based rights, including the right to sex segregated spaces and the right to assemble without men present (or their permission to do so).

If you're part of that group then, rather than being in a 'safe and inclusive' environment, then you are in environment where there is an actual book out on how to spot you. I can't imagine young gender critical women, probably away from home for the first time, feel very safe and included by this witch hunt publication.

I've read the CUSU guide. It is a load of rubbish and an example of reversal of reality. For example, they claim that children taking hormones and having surgery are myths invented by T**Fs. But it is CUSU's claim of these treatments being myths that is without truth. CUSU's claim transphobically denies the experience of some transgender children. CUSU's claim is also very off-message, because the dominant view in transgender activism is that children do sometimes take hormones and do have surgery and these things should become widespread and routine.

Children are taking cross-sex hormones e.g. at age 16 in the Netherlands.
(Information about lower age limits in European Union countries for "transgender hormone therapy ... to align their secondary sexual characteristics with their gender identity": fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-age-requirements/transgender-hormone-therapy )

Many children do not take cross-sex hormones yet but they are already on puberty blockers, which are used as pathway drugs to later cross-sex hormone use.

Children are having surgery. Examples include Jackie Green (the child of Susie Green of Mermaids) and Kim Petras (a German singer).

@NorthernNic

I'm just trying to get a sense of what hate crime statistics mean

Unfortunately crime statistics no longer mean anything at all.
The violent and sexualised crimes of men are being recorded as those of women thanks to the delusion that their "feelings" make them female.
Women standing their ground to preserve their right to be safe from potentially harmhul men is also now a 'hate crime'.
Ergo, nothing has any meaning anymore.