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Female candidate posts meme threatening Joanna Cherry with bleach.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 01/11/2019 15:13

I didn't think it was possible for political discourse to get more divisive and extreme in a civilized society, but Frances Carmel Hoole, who apparently standing for election, tweeted a meme of herself threatening Joanna Cherry with a spray bottle of bleach and the term T*RF.

She has deleted it and is now complaining about the sound condemnation she is receiving on Twitter. I need to get a hammock for my face to help with the continual dropping of my jaw.

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 01/11/2019 22:24

The idea that you elect a representative to speak for your opinions is totally alien now. Public opinion is meaningless in politics, it's all about power and control.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 01/11/2019 22:21

I think I meant you get away with a lot in the little woke Twitter bubble that you wouldn't away with once it hits mainstream news outlets, and people start talking.
And yes, this particular incident is a bit niche, because the Trf insult isn't common currency outside Twitter, but once it's clearly explained as 'Labour candidate shares image of herself spraying bleach at female politician' then I guarantee you the people I chat with in shops and on buses would have a very clear opinion.*

Public view of politicans and public opinion have no status on current politics. People can talk all they like, as long as the person in question is in-line with the ideas of the state they will remain in their positions of power.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 01/11/2019 22:07

Labour in Scotland seem to be making very weird decisions. Earlier this week candidate Alex Tiffin admitted twice assaulting a pregnant woman.

Link to the Press and Journal.

In 2017 the charming Alex, a Scots Muslim, drunkenly caused a terror scare. He ended up in court over texts sent to a member of his mosque days after the London Bridge attack.

However a police investigation established no links to terror groups. A spokesperson said: “The conclusion has been that he was an idiot, not a terrorist.”

So that's all right then...

Link to the Daily Record.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/11/2019 21:56

Labour in Scotland are a funny thing. I suspect it's a very different party than it is in other parts of the UK.

And of course she's protected her tweets. UUnable to handle all the perfectly polite, normal people questioning her horrible rhetoric, I expect.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 01/11/2019 21:36

Frances Carmel Hoole has protected her Tweets. She's also deleted her Tweet protesting about the "pile on".

kesstrel · 01/11/2019 20:42

Would I be right in thinking that it has been the local constituency party that selects these candidates? Does anyone know? If yes, that would explain it, I suppose, since they seem to mainly be filled with Momentum activists now.

CarolCutrere · 01/11/2019 20:35

Can the Labour Party get any more stupid?

The only hope for it is a Boris landslide which will make them see sense and look for a new Blair.

Ereshkigal · 01/11/2019 20:27

Think I can preempt the answer. I will never understand how some misogynistic women have unquestioningly internalized the language and values of patriarchy; much less why they would like to foist them on the rest of us. My response to the lot of them is to ram it.

And mine.

BeMoreMagdalen · 01/11/2019 20:01

Captain, I think I meant you get away with a lot in the little woke Twitter bubble that you wouldn't away with once it hits mainstream news outlets, and people start talking.

Look at the M&S thing. Sometimes it's surprising what breaks out, and you can't reliably predict which thing it will be. I've talked to actual every day people today who think being kind is important, but they don't feel remotely obligated to pretend they're ok with mixed sex masquerading as single sex for example.

And yes, this particular incident is a bit niche, because the T*rf insult isn't common currency outside Twitter, but once it's clearly explained as 'Labour candidate shares image of herself spraying bleach at female politician' then I guarantee you the people I chat with in shops and on buses would have a very clear opinion.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 01/11/2019 19:55

Jesus wept, what an oxygen thief.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 01/11/2019 19:53

real world people and politics are much less forgiving

That's not true though is it, it may have been, at some point many years ago, but now what you are seeing happen here IS real world politics.

GCAcademic · 01/11/2019 19:52

It's worrying that this woman is a care worker. She should be kept away from vulnerable people who will need and request single-sex provision if her default reaction to politicians who defend the principle of sex-based rights is to threaten violence.

RoyalCorgi · 01/11/2019 19:44

I saw Hoole's original tweet and she couldn't even spell the word "Tories" right (she spelt it "Tory's"). Joanna Cherry has more intelligence in her little finger than Hoole does in her entire dimwitted brain.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 01/11/2019 19:43

They keep putting these stupid children up. Why?

EsmeShelby · 01/11/2019 19:10

She shouldn't be disappointed. She should be ashamed. Surely Labour are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

BarbaraStrozzi · 01/11/2019 19:03

Hang on... Labour are putting up a (female) candidate who called women opposed to lap dancing clubs SWERFs, including a survivor of the Rotherham abuse scandal? I've watched Labour scrape the bottom of the barrel for several years now (used to be a Labour party member, left over this and antisemitism) but now they're bloody through the barrel and half way to Australia.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 01/11/2019 18:59

You're not defending women's rights unless you defend trans rights.

And what of men? Are they expected to defend trans people's rights too, or does the burden and responsibility of defending everyone else's rights fall only to women? At the expense, in general, of our own?

Think I can preempt the answer. I will never understand how some misogynistic women have unquestioningly internalized the language and values of patriarchy; much less why they would like to foist them on the rest of us. My response to the lot of them is to ram it.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 01/11/2019 18:37

She's just trollied her career surely?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/11/2019 18:31

Labour, for goodness sake. You're making yourselves impossible to even consider voting for.

RealityNotEssentialism · 01/11/2019 17:56

TerfTalk oh definitely. Reports to the police would have been made and pressure for immediate ousting from the party. All Joanna asked for was an apology.

TerfTalk · 01/11/2019 17:51

If this was the other way round, I.e. a GC feminist making threats to a TRA, could you even imagine the backlash?

GCAcademic · 01/11/2019 17:44

After the disasters that were Jared O'Mara and Fiona Onasanya, I'd hoped that Labour would have done a bit more due diligence over who it selects to stand for Parliament. Apparently, they're doubling down on their policy of selecting ignorant, arrogant, woman-hating candidates.

ArfArfBarf · 01/11/2019 17:31

How is this person still allowed to represent Labour?

CharlieParley · 01/11/2019 17:07

Her apology is not only even more offensive, she also fails to adhere to her own identity politics which maintains that the decision over whether something is offensive or not depends only on the target's feelings in reaction and not on any objective criteria (her threat meets both of those tests).

“I didn't perceive this as a threat so I apologise I didn't see it that way.”

Unless the English language has lost all meaning, she's also not apologising for sending a threat to a competing candidate, but giving a metaphorical shrug of "well if you want to take offence, I can't stop you". (Which is a classic tool found in the extensive toolbox of any abuser).

HandsOffMyRights · 01/11/2019 16:50

Those in public life have a duty to act in accordance with the Nolan Principles of Selflessness, Integrity, Objectivity, Accountability, Openness, Honesty and Leadership. However, when it comes to the debates surrounding transgenderism, our elected officials seem to think that they are free to slander feminists with impunity.