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Female candidate posts meme threatening Joanna Cherry with bleach.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 01/11/2019 15:13

I didn't think it was possible for political discourse to get more divisive and extreme in a civilized society, but Frances Carmel Hoole, who apparently standing for election, tweeted a meme of herself threatening Joanna Cherry with a spray bottle of bleach and the term T*RF.

She has deleted it and is now complaining about the sound condemnation she is receiving on Twitter. I need to get a hammock for my face to help with the continual dropping of my jaw.

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MockersthefeMANist · 02/11/2019 13:04

"What's the matter, can't you take a joke?" is the refrain of the racist down the ages.

(See J Clarkson's hilarious "There's a slope on that bridge" comment.)

zebrasdontwearbras · 02/11/2019 13:03

I think he's just an old style men's rights activist who has found a convenient way to abuse women who dare to disagree with him.

Any man who goes around shouting 'terf' at women is a misogynist, one who makes up violent and threatening memes to send to women is a violent misogynist.

HermioneWeasley · 02/11/2019 12:46

It’s the fact at Labour haven’t censored her or anything. They really don’t give a shit about women

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 02/11/2019 12:46

Do Scottish Labour want to maintain a presence in Scotland or have they given up?

They gave up long ago.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 02/11/2019 12:42

And a good chunk of them are too stupid to even recognise it.

You can thank the poor education system for that.

merrymouse · 02/11/2019 12:37

Hey, I made the meme. It's obviously not a threat, and was referencing a popular advert.

It was offensive when Boris Johnson was trying to defend his use of inflammatory language and minimise the concerns of female MPs, but this is worse.

Do Scottish Labour want to maintain a presence in Scotland or have they given up?

Ereshkigal · 02/11/2019 12:36

And a good chunk of them are too stupid to even recognise it.

This is a huge part of the problem.

LangCleg · 02/11/2019 12:29

Hey, I made the meme. It's obviously not a threat, and was referencing a popular advert. Anyone claiming otherwise is being deliberately obtuse purely to further their own toxic ideology.

Same applies to you, dear. Hate crime is judged in the eye of the beholder. If Joanna Cherry perceives your meme as a homophobic hate incident then it is a homophobic hate incident and the police will investigate and record it as such. Not because I say so but because your stupid lobby groups have persuaded the police and CPS to adopt this position.

So if you don't want your collar felt by Woke Plod, I suggest you too might like to contribute to the Fair Cop judicial review costs.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 02/11/2019 12:28

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

They are totalitarians. They do not believe in democracy. They do not believe in freedom of speech. They do not believe in a pluralistic society. They are the latest iteration of Stalinists, of McArthyites, of Puritans.

And a good chunk of them are too stupid to even recognise it.

IsadoraQuagmire · 02/11/2019 12:25

Yuck, he doesn't have many followers (not surprised) but I'm irritated that 5 of them also follow meSad

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 02/11/2019 12:13

The lack of empathy and critical thinking, the nasty tribal behaviour, the complete acceptance that if you’d not think like them you’re obviously disgusting and deserve to die/be sprayed in the face by bleach/be beaten to death/insert any other revolting threat we’ve seen from this type of person.

This. Its why Labour, who should be absolutely walking the upcoming election, are struggling even in the face of the Tories. It's just all so nasty.

BadgertheBodger · 02/11/2019 11:50

What the fuck is wrong with these people? It makes me despair sometimes. The lack of empathy and critical thinking, the nasty tribal behaviour, the complete acceptance that if you’d not think like them you’re obviously disgusting and deserve to die/be sprayed in the face by bleach/be beaten to death/insert any other revolting threat we’ve seen from this type of person.

There are too many people, mostly men but yes some women, who are internalising this sort of hate ready to spew out at the next person who disagrees with them. Something needs to change.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 02/11/2019 11:15

Well, hopefully he's just unaware, rude and misguided, rather than a violent, threatening misogynist.

Not quite sure I've got the hang of this 'optimism' lark ...

BarbaraStrozzi · 02/11/2019 11:11

Ian, you no doubt fancy yourself as a socially aware guy with concern for the disadvantaged and oppressed in society. Who knows you may even have at some stage worn a "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt

Pro tip: genuine male allies of women (and of that radical, revolutionary idea that women have human rights) do not make memes joking about violence against women.

Datun · 02/11/2019 11:10

Dear lord. He is proud that a website populated by women, many of whom are mothers, find him and his memes alarming.

Ugh.

MrsWednesdayteatime · 02/11/2019 11:07

Meme guy seems to be a BIG fan of Mumsnet so chances are he'll see your post Scrimshaw

twitter.com/pinguiano/status/1190437599313309701?s=19

Female candidate posts meme threatening Joanna Cherry with bleach.
ScrimshawTheSecond · 02/11/2019 10:59

So, Ian, if you happen to read this: You don't seem to understand why there has been a strong reaction to your meme. Perhaps you have no understanding of:

  1. How it feels for a woman in the public eye to be threatened by a man
  2. How spraying chemicals is evocative of acid attacks
  3. How female politicians, in particular, are threatened by violence. Not even 'literal' violence. Real violence, the kind that is dangerous.
  4. Empathy
  5. How to apologise.

I appreciate you are quite young, and surrounded by people throwing out violent 'jokes' about 'terfs' all the time. On Twitter, this is all completely par for the course.

Back in the real world, this is not acceptable. It's not okay to create an image that implies spraying someone with bleach is a good thing to do. The word 'gone' also has violent implications. Many women will recognise this as threat. If you didn't know that, I'm telling you now, so in future, please don't suggest you will spray women with bleach, as you may alarm them. 'Kay?

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 02/11/2019 10:50

Oh look, he is a beardy woke bro, what a fucking surprise.

What an absolute prick.

And what an absolute prick she is for sharing it as well, what the fuck was she thinking? She is standing for parliament!

HandsOffMyRights · 02/11/2019 10:40

I hope he's reported to the police.

He was gloating that the meme had made it to MN.

Ereshkigal · 02/11/2019 10:32

This is the man who made the meme, taking credit for it. He seems quite pleased with himself.

twitter.com/pinguiano/status/1190295284422791170?s=21

BarbaraStrozzi · 02/11/2019 10:14

I'm assuming this is an area that is quite heavily SNP already - and Joanna Cherry seems a very able politician, and popular (barring the TRAs who hate her and send her death threats).

Yes. Cherry's work on Brexit, for example, has been absolutely stellar.

zebrasdontwearbras · 02/11/2019 10:04

Well Hoole has made her account private now. I've just looked down the responses to her - and they are all critical of her, but not abusive or threatening (unlike Hoole's own tweet)

I'm assuming this is an area that is quite heavily SNP already - and Joanna Cherry seems a very able politician, and popular (barring the TRAs who hate her and send her death threats).

Hoole has come across as inexperienced and immature - probably needs to get out of her twitter bubble for a bit if she thinks that posting threatening memes will get her elected in a real life constituency.

Not a good look for Labour at all.

ExhaustedGrinch · 02/11/2019 10:01

Why are all these "woke" people so intolerant?!

Another Scottish Labour candidate is Alex Tiffin, Alex who was charged with assaulting a pregnant woman. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/man-who-admitted-assaulting-pregnant-20764645

Labour really don't care about women at all, full of misogynists. That said I don't see any other parties being all that different.

Tanith · 02/11/2019 09:57

“ Perhaps Frances should investigate the Fair Cop campaign if she doesn't want to be a hate criminal?”

She’s more likely hiding under her duvet at the moment, having been strongly advised to stay off Twitter.

LangCleg · 02/11/2019 09:56

Never mind hate crime, why is this kind of behaviour from TRAs not treated as terrorism? Threatening violence to politicians and intimidating the public in pursuit of a political outcome is the very definition of terrorism.

Well, quite.

I'm just picking up on the irony of the "perception" defence this awful woman thought would sort it.