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Glinner is asking why more don’t speak out

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AutumnRose1 · 30/10/2019 12:17

On Twitter

I’ll be away from MN a couple of days but I notice so far no one has said to him that we fear losing jobs, amongst other things.

I came off Twitter but thought others here might wish to reply.

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OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 01/11/2019 15:04

I would absolutely lose my job.
I have already lost one friend.

Ditto to both of these. I use different pseudonyms on Twitter and FB and even on FB I don't post GC stuff. I do on Twitter because I keep my account absolutely separate to anyone in my real life.

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 15:02

“ They aren't being asked to share spaces with the opposite sex when it makes them uncomfortable.”

Many women I know don’t get why it might makes some of us uncomfortable. I think there’s a crossover here with people not caring about privacy as well.

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CranberriesChoccy · 01/11/2019 14:55

There are if course men who question the current narrative surrounding trans issues, but many of them will see it as not affecting them so why bother. Men's sports are not under threat as FTM trans would not have an advantage physically over biological males. They aren't being asked to share spaces with the opposite sex when it makes them uncomfortable.

I'm still baffled on other sites when people wonder why women have a problem with all the wokeness. Is it really not obvious?

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 14:49

I would lose my job too

I don’t know if he meant the sort of people who can speak out, but that’s a small number.

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IsadoraQuagmire · 01/11/2019 14:46

I say exactly what I think about it to everyone IRL, doesn't bother me in the slightest Grin

DreadPirateLuna · 01/11/2019 14:37

I really appreciate what Glinner has done and his bravery in speaking out. However, he is in a better position than most in being financially secure and having a body of famous work behind him.

Gwynnfluff already pointed out the difficulties with the public sector and potential for job loss there. I think it's also a big issue in the arts, which are hard enough to break into without having a reputation as a "bigot" or troublemaker.

And that's not even getting into the death threats, including the threats against family members. Look at the hostility towards Megan Murphy.

FilthyBiscuit · 01/11/2019 12:18

I would absolutely lose my job.
I have already lost one friend. From what I can gather, a lot of others are fully on board with the trans ideology, and that includes lesbians.

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 12:04

Thank you for the replies

It was quite a catch all statement so I didn’t know if he was really unaware of our fears.

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Gwynfluff · 31/10/2019 08:34

Women are disproportionately in public sector, caring and support roles where much of the policy takeover is playing itself out. It’s very risky to be too vocal.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/10/2019 06:26

There's one person in the UK with that level of wealth who is rumoured to be GC and could make a difference. I wish she would do more than like the occasional tweet and then let her assistant laugh it off as a slip of the finger.

Childrenofthestones · 31/10/2019 06:09

It's very much about, as Scott Adams puts it, having fuck you money. The ability to not care what others say as you are fire proof. Not many are.

WomensRightsAreContraversial · 31/10/2019 02:11

Because I fear for my job

Because inevitable death threats don't seem worth it

Because I would lose friends quickly

Goosefoot · 31/10/2019 02:05

Sometimes a question like that is also meant more as a way to get a discussion started, or to give a little prod to those who are hesitant but might want to say something.

I really think a huge issue for many is the fact that they will be called a bigot, without anything else on top of that. I have no job to lose, many of my friends and family think gender ideology is dumb or would love me anyway if they accept it, and I am pretty used to being the odd one out in terms of my ideas. But I find the idea of having to put up with being called a bigot or racist or homophobic really upsetting, and the idea of getting into a discussion at that level really upsetting. It's difficult to express how upsetting I find t.

It's similar to why I tend not to speak up publicly too often about other elements of identity politics that I think are really toxic.

birdsdestiny · 30/10/2019 22:27

Glinner frequently refers to celebrities who he thought of as friends not speaking out. I imagine that is what he is talking about here. His irritation with these people is obvious. I don't think he is talking about women.
I am sure he can look after himself but I do worry about glinner, he has been doing this for a long time and puts up with an enormous amount of abuse, as does anyone who sticks their head above the parapet.

BertrandRussell · 30/10/2019 22:21

Simon Fanshaw is speaking out- and getting stuck for it.

BertrandRussell · 30/10/2019 22:19

Rose of Dawn says the same thing. Why isn’t the trans community speaking out?

hipsterfun · 30/10/2019 22:17

Glinner is privately wealthy and pretty much unassailable in his career with Father Ted under his belt.

He has children, and we’ve seen how doxx-happy the TRAs are. This is something any of us who are parents will fear equally.

Destinysdaughter · 30/10/2019 21:22

Actually, there are a few men on Twitter who do talk about this and I am very grateful to.them. Interestingly, the threads on Twitter about Rachel McKinnon have prompted many men to talk about the unfairness about it. Guess it's cos the principle of fairness in sport is a big deal to them. Shame potential violence against women isn't....

Destinysdaughter · 30/10/2019 21:17

I met Glinner after a Women's Place meeting a few months ago in the pub afterwards. I asked him directly why he had got involved in this and he said because it was just bullshit. I have so much respect for him. He's a genuinely caring man with a lot of integrity. He has nothing to gain and a lot to lose by speaking up about this as evidenced by the amount of abuse he's received both on Twitter and in real life.

I wish more men with a platform would speak out about this but it seems like the only ones who do are the ones who are rich and powerful enough to not have to worry about the consequences, Ricky Gervais, Piers Morgan. Really can't think of many others...

ChattyLion · 30/10/2019 20:43

I am really grateful to him. Glinner has nothing to gain from sticking his neck out for women. He could have done a Robert Webb a very long time ago and saved himself a shitload of hassle and personal expense but he hasn’t. He’s a mensch.

We have everything to gain from having a prominent celebrity supporter with a zillion followers who is active on twitter, and who is male and who because of those things he speaks to a different and much more massive public audience than most of us on here. (Sorry I just presumed everyone’s celebrity status level there Grin)

greenapplesred12 · 30/10/2019 19:01

there are other celebs with vast vast wealth, near billionaire status, with gender critical views, who would really help the gender critical movement by doing a Glinner, but you've got to be very very brave to risk doing so.

Karabair · 30/10/2019 18:58

Glinner is privately wealthy and pretty much unassailable in his career with Father Ted under his belt. Nobody can take that away from him. So he is in a much safer position than most to speak out and speak freely. Still great however that someone as high profile as him has spoken up.

greenapplesred12 · 30/10/2019 18:49

yeah, Glinner has been heroic in his relentless refusal to back down to the bullies. We need more like him!

SirVixofVixHall · 30/10/2019 18:43

Glinner has absolutely stuck his neck out at great personal cost. He is a brave and thoroughly decent man.

TemporaryPermanent · 30/10/2019 18:13

I dont think it's fair to say Glinner has male privilege on this. He's had the police turning up on his doorstep and an unending twitter shitshow despite pretty much having to be on social media for his job. He could very easily lose income and work for what he's saying - perhaps he has already. I dont have to be on social media and I was scared of going to the WPUK meeting though nothing happened. The biggest public stance I've taken is not picking up a rainbow lanyard at work because I dont think I deserve to because I'm so conflicted about this issue. That and pulling out of a section of work which I felt unable psychologically to cope with, for which the consequences were... zero. I think glinner is a bit if a hero to say the least.

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