Jameela Jamil being iconic

I am a full time feminist activist.

Silly me, I was under the impression that she had an actual job for which she got paid.

Surely to be iconic you have to be someone people have heard of?

There are very few feminists who could be described as iconic. Germaine Greer springs to mind but there aren't many.

if "iconic" if what the kids nowadays say when they mean "utter bellend" then yeah, shes pretty iconic

Another one who thinks there’s been a typo- ironic not iclonic 😀
Poor Jamelia, she probably also believes; transplants are plants, transparent is a parent etc and top of the list - women don’t need sex based rights. Oh well, each to their own.

She’s an idiot who didn’t even know who George Bush Jr was and what happened in the world only 17/18 years ago. No excuse for not knowing about 9/11, the Iraq war and everything after, seeing as it’s shaped the world we’re in today. Such an idiot, and her defence was that she was a child when it all happened. Hmm. She’s not that young; even my 12 year old knows the basics.

Of course, she knows very well that there is a conflict of rights between women and transwomen.
It's not a new issue and there are so many examples now.

Never heard of her. And I don't appear to have missed anything.

I don't think she's much of a supporter to Muslim women who will need single sex spaces to expand their horizons in patriarchal societies.

She's shown me that she can't comprehend other people's realities and that without the ability for women to be with women, the men in their life will curtail their freedoms. Daughters will not go to universities, wives will be kept at home and the ability to socialise in public places will change and go back to meeting in each other's homes.

Women only leisure, social, sport, health facilities are incredibly important for the girls in conservatively religious families to have options about their future.

Hi, OP. You seem quite new to Mumsnet. What brings you here?

Ironically, the juxtaposition of posts here demonstrates the exact behaviour pattern JJ is calling out.
That second post in that shot is mine and I genuinely dont get what you're talking about.
The LGB Alliance is a specific group being run by specific people.
Are you claiming that they are responsible for what other people on the internet say? The LGB Alliance has made no claims about violent trans people, and claiming otherwise is a fabrication.
Or is it that somehow someone else entirely talking about Yaniv or White is somehow problematic? Under what circumstances do you think women are allowed to call out real life rapists and predators taking advantage of self-id?

Every single microscopic step of this ideology reveals how its proponents never, ever think that transwomen are women.

This, so much this.

peterrouse

Nailed it.

She’s typical of that ilk. Hugely privileged. Tells others what to think. Just like those white women on the Instagram knitting pages lecturing other white women about racism. Supports body positive but she’s thin and pretty🤷‍♀️. Doesn’t appear to have much life experience. Enjoys winning cookies for lecturing other people. “You are cancelled”

I'm assuming this thread was started with the sole intention of bringing it to her attention and getting her to denounce MN It's so predictable.

Yes, that's what I thought too.

Jameela has admitted in the past she's been ill-informed about issues and changed her mind. Maybe she will do the same in this case.

I think a lot of women and children would have to suffer first for that to happen. I mean, she appears to have zero sympathy for the victims of Karen White or Yaniv, doesn't appear to see anything wrong with Maria Maclachlan having to refer to her male attacker as 'she' in court, and clearly doesn't give a shit about the women who are losing out to males in sports. 'It's not an epidemic' so those women are just collateral for men to be able to do the things they want apparently.

"This is the woman who slags off Kim K for wearing make up but thinks pornified Bergdof is a dazzling example of humanity."

Yes, good point, the double standards are pretty breathtaking! It's just plain old misogyny isn't it?

It really is. And it happens a lot.

Women who will slag off other women for conforming to patriarchal standards will, simultaneously, approve of men doing exactly the same.

Every single microscopic step of this ideology reveals how its proponents never, ever think that transwomen are women.

of all the founders of the LGBAlliance, the one being threatened with loss of livelihood is a black lesbian . . . not any of the white males. Perhaps as a WOC in the public eye, Jameela may have a view on why the high-profile WOC is being targeted rather than the white men? Misogyny? Racism?

This.

Instead of meaningless word salad, how about she actually addresses the problem.

Exactly. The two fundamental questions for me are:

1. why do we segregate by sex in the first place in certain circumstances?

2. at what objective, concrete, irrefutable point does a male who 'identifies as female' come out of the high risk class of 'male' and into the low risk class of 'female'?

This is the woman who slags off Kim K for wearing make up but thinks pornified Bergdof is a dazzling example of humanity.

Nailed it right here.

She'll never have to share the loos with a violent male so she can pick and choose her "intersectional feminism". Try living in the real world.

I'm assuming this thread was started with the sole intention of bringing it to her attention and getting her to denounce MN It's so predictable.
If I'm right then perhaps she'd like to know that:
the LGBAlliance was started by some of the founders of Stonewall. those members may be considered to know more about the tensions and pressures in the LGB community than the people deriding them.
*here are numerous 'T' only support groups and organisations who happily exist without being forced to include the LGB.

• of all the founders of the LGBAlliance, the one being threatened with loss of livelihood is a black lesbian . . . not any of the white males. Perhaps as a WOC in the public eye, Jameela may have a view on why the high-profile WOC is being targeted rather than the white men? Misogyny? Racism? Jameela has admitted in the past she's been ill-informed about issues and changed her mind. Maybe she will do the same in this case.

This is the woman who slags off Kim K for wearing make up but thinks pornified Bergdof is a dazzling example of humanity.

Yes, good point, the double standards are pretty breathtaking! It's just plain old misogyny isn't it?

I'm not going to call her 'thick' or 'an idiot' or whatever, I just totally disagree with her on this and some other issues.

Given that it something that she feels so strongly about, I wonder if she has, or ever would come on here and engage in the debate, given that this is pretty much the largest platform in the UK for discussing it? Actually listening to people's concerns, and then explaining fully why those concerns are unfounded, engaging in debate about a certain issue, is part of the job of an 'activist' isn't it?

Real activists don't just stick their fingers in their ears and say 'lalalalalalalala youre all bigots I'm not engaging with you' do they?

I am also a trans advocate, and I in no way see trans women as ANY threat to our fight.

Tell that to the four woman Karen White sexually assaulted in prison. Or the women that Rachel McKinnon is beating after they transition at nearly 30 years of age, or the 16 women that Jessica Yanniv dragged through the courts and whose businesses are ruined, or all the girls failing to get scholarships in the US, because of Andrea Yearwood, or the women who are being 'folded like deckchairs' and coaches having their legs broken by transwomen in sport, or Tamikka Brent whose orbital bone was broken by a transwoman in boxing, or the women in the Labour Party who were targeted by the transwoman Labour Party women's officer.

I mean, I could go on all night.

Instead of meaningless word salad, how about she actually addresses the problem.

Or is that a little bit too real?

“To include them is true feminism. The propaganda against them makes them appear to be interrupting our cause, but it’s nonsense.”

There is no "our" about it. My feminism is not yours. My feminism centres women and girls.

I am also a trans advocate, and I in no way see trans women as ANY threat to our fight

I just don’t understand this comment. It is provably false.

One very obvious example is sport, but there are plenty of others.

It is not unusual for rights to conflict, and normally a sensible discussion about how to balance them can take place. But with people like Jameela who inexplicably fail to see the conflict and attack anyone who does, constructive dialogue isn’t possible.

She's great but I don't agree with her on this. Magdalen Berns' video on this version of "intersectionality" basically creating more work for women is particularly apt at explaining why.