The Glorious Victories of Trans Athletes Are Shaking Up Sports

I came across this chart from a 2012 Olympic weightlifting championship. I think the comparison tells it’s own story.

I'm not an advocate for a trans sports category

Yeah. Me neither. If someone believes “transitioning” is necessary to their mental health, then they need to accept that some kinds of competitive sports will not be open to them.

We all make decisions which have life-changing consequences; choosing not to go to university precludes being able to undertake some careers; having children precludes living an unfettered life - and “transitioning” should preclude competing in the teams which match gender-belief.

The emperor isn't just naked, they're dancing around helicoptering their girldick

FTFY

Becles that makes it even worse! Life isn't fair, so do what you're bloody told or we'll deck you is what it amounts to.

It's time, ladies, that we set up crone island.

The emperor isn't just naked, he's dancing around helicoptering his dick.

This comment needs some sort of prize.

Any sport that is currently segregated by sex where speed and strength are major factors should not be open to transwomen.

There was a program on Tele not long ago with Martina Navratilova where they were discussing this issue and even with hormone therapy, you can still never erase the physiological advantage male-born athletes have over women due to testosterone in their adolescence and early adulthood.

So what's the solution? I don't know, maybe transwomen should compete with men but be given a handicap score if they are reducing their testosterone levels. If they feel it's unfair they could always be told hey, life's unfair.

There are transmen competing in male categories and theres no reason why transwomen shouldn't compete in male categories as things stand. RMcK has said they have switched categories at times fit better competition. That's the thing; trans people currently have legal and practical access to both male and female competitions. Hence the need to resolve testosterone doping by transmen, and an open not male category for transwomen, men and others not appropriate for an XX category or who prefer not to compete in it.

I wonder how many trans men are competing and succeeding in men's categories? Surely if it's as simple as one's gender identity and testosterone levels as the marker between categories, then you'd expect the numbers to be similar?

I didn't realise that men can compete in women's categories with such an unfair advantage in their testosterone levels, that's disgraceful.

I don't buy this stuff about how their performance is impacted when they start HRT so they can't keep up with the men. That doesn't mean that they should look to dominate the women's fields. There are consequences and compromises that come with transitioning, and that should mean not being able to compete in sports whilst the categories remain as they are currently. Unfair maybe, but it's even more unfair to the women being cheated out of medals, recognition and prize money by men who think that long hair and painted nails makes them one of the girls.

And - genuine question - where are the transgender people in sports which don't segregate by sex?

Equestrian and sailing - a quick Google for transgender athletes in either draws a blank. Perhaps this indicates that trans women competing in women's sport is more about a desire for public affirmation of gender than equality after all

Incidentally I came across this article. It reckons that the Paralympics get it right by segregating by ability. I actually think it would resolve the issue, any thoughts from anybody else?

theconversation.com/why-it-might-be-time-to-eradicate-sex-segregation-in-sports-89305

So which approach is most fair? “Fair is a very subjective word,” says Joanna Harper, a transgender woman, distance runner, and researcher who served on the IOC committee that developed that organization’s current rules. It boils down to whom you’re trying to be fair to, Harper says. “To billions of typical women who cannot compete with men at high levels of sport?” Or “a very repressed minority in transgender people who only want to enjoy the same things that everybody else does, including participation in sports?”

I genuinely don't know which side of the argument this quote is trying to prove

Why should the billions of typical women lose the opportunity to be successful at women's sport so that it can be seen as 'fair' to a small number of transwomen, who would be mediocre in men's sport but who head straight to the top of women's sport? That's not a fair sporting achievement for the transwomen. If it was about fairness, they'd want to compete only against other transwomen. It's not about fairness though is it - it's yet again about autogrlynaephile's need to have everybody affirm to them that the emperor does indeed have clothes.

Archived article before they changed it.(due to the ratio.)
archive.is/vw4TI

Missed the ratio but the article is interesting

The emperor isn't just naked, he's dancing around helicoptering his dick.

Yep.

Scapa it's the ratio of likes to shares on Twitter.

I keep reading the article over and over I can't believe someone could write that and still think oh yea this makes total sense, transwomen are not a problem in women's sports because "life's not fair." Jesus and this from Harper:
It boils down to whom you’re trying to be fair to, Harper says. “To billions of typical women who cannot compete with men at high levels of sport?” Or “a very repressed minority in transgender people who only want to enjoy the same things that everybody else does, including participation in sports?”
Hang on, women don't want to compete with men in sports that's why they have their own categories.
Have I gone mad or something.

What does 'ratio' mean please re responses? I see it a lot and I'm not sure what it means (dare not join Twitter)

They got viciously ratio-ed after tweeting this article, and the tweet seems to have been deleted.

People know cheating when they see it.

Ah. So the primary purpose of the female half of the human race having sport is to provide supportive and lovely emotional experiences for people sad that they were born male.

And any female person too good at running around isn't female anyway.

The sexism and contempt for women is downright clanging now. The emperor isn't just naked, he's dancing around helicoptering his dick.

The headline! Straight out of Orwell!

And this: "Which means that at some point the question of who is a woman becomes a cultural inquiry: How athletically outstanding can a girl or woman be before we no longer see her as female?"
Easy answer: when "she" is male.

What a ghastly article.

Whether tongue in cheek or earnestly meant.

It really does sound like a line out of some North Korean propaganda announcement.

I know that in print journalism it's the subeditor who writes the headlines, not the author of the piece. Possibly this was an example of a dissident subeditor taking the piss - which has now been 'corrected'?

'How athletically outstanding can a girl or woman be before we no longer see her as female?'

How big a dick does a girl or woman have to have before we no longer see her as female?

Sports and life have never been fair." Why do people keep saying things like this as if its some sort of gothca?

Dare to suggest to a TRA that maybe they should pipe down and suck it up as it's all part of life's rich tapestry and see what reaction you get.