Anti-terf Sady Doyle weighs in on the Always debate

Damn feminists, always wearing the wrong clothes and doing femininity wrong.

I think the anger at Julie Bindel may be related to the fact that those of us not well versed in feminist theory have actually heard of Julie Bindel.

Which suggests that unlike Sady Doyle, Julie Bindel has actually done something in her life of relevance to the mass of women who aren't well versed in feminist theory.

I dunno

When you spend time reading a article I hope to get something from it

All I got was anger at some women called terfs, something Julie bindel did that was very bad and feminists wearing wrong clothes and then more anger

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Compare and contrast:

Sady Doyle Oct 24, 2019

"Cisgender women have so often had to prove that we are not just our bodies; we’ve had our justified anger invalidated and cast as mere “PMS,” our ambitions erased by the supposed “biological clock” ticking in our brains, our leadership undermined by “jokes” about how we’d start firing people or launching missiles whenever we were on the rag."

MEN DON’T UNDERSTAND WOMEN’S BODIES. PERIOD. Sady Doyle Sep 12, 2019

To know that we’re fighting for our humanity, not in some abstract way, but in the very real sense of having to insist that our bodies are real, and have real people inside them. Most of us live our lives at the mercy of some kind of authority, subject to someone else’s definitions, but the thing to know, about the people making those definitions, is not just that they’re harmful — they don’t understand what they’re talking about or who they’re describing.

or this

"In fact, the more we associate an illness with women, the more likely we are to dismiss it as psychosomatic; throughout history, doctors have denied the existence of fibromyalgia, menstrual cramps, or even post-traumatic stress from sexual assault, which is what many 19th-century “hysterics” would likely be diagnosed with today."

Yeah Sady, men are women and we are all bad people if we don't pretend like you do.

She is an absolute arse.

We beat people up while wearing flowery dresses. We are very scary despite there only being a handful of us and us all being very elderly because they often remind us we're going to die in a few years. We are all straight, white, middle class SAHMs with no money of our own (hence why we must be funded by the American far right).

Nb for the benefit of any TRAs doing screenshots, that was sarcasm.

Going by her definition of a GC feminist, I obviously turned into a man this morning when I got dressed in jeans and one of my husband’s tee shirts then went out to fix the broken fence. My masculinity nearly turned me into the Incredible Hulk when I hit my thumb with the hammer 🤬 Don’t worry my femininity kicked back in when a single teardrop ran delicately down my flushed cheeks. Blimey, does that mean I’m both!

There are so many women that are in a position to help protect females, but they’re more interested in following the money. I was going to ask how they are going to feel when a girl or woman that is close to them suffers terribly because of the agenda they’re supporting, but I think they’ll just turn it around on that female in order to protect themselves. They’ll do anything for the money.

Like Arnold I'm not versed in feminist theory or know a lot of the history behind various individuals or groups.

But when I see someone who has swallowed the trans privilege demands attribute to radfems the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they are actually saying, I have to conclude that the person writing it is either deliberately misrepresenting lying because their own argument is so weak or a bit thick.

Regarding Always - personally I couldn't care about the design of the packaging. They could have quietly changed it and said nothing and I wouldn't care. What I object to it the public announcement of the reason to try to earn woke points plus leaping to the demands of one person because they have trans privilege whilst systematically ignoring feedback from countless other women.

Not that I use there stuff since they added the 'fragrance'. I bought a packet once before I knew it was a thing and spent the whole day embarrassed as I could smell it and was worried that others would too. I have never bought another one of their packs.

But aren't "t*rfs" supposed to be brutal and threatening towards the actual feminine flowers, trans women? That's usually how it sounds when TRAs plan action against women's meetings.
Although I do remember someone coming into FWR the other week to wokescold us and she wrote something about feminists' fear of having our femininity undermined so I guess this is the new thing.

When I were a kid, 't'were dungarees and bovver boots that marked out the feminists. My dad used to use it as a verbal shorthand. I'm not sure when the accepted and expected uniform changed to feminine and fragile...

I thought feminists were supposed to be reviled as mannish aggressive man-haters, when did we turn into fragile feminine flowers instead?

When they needed to categorise us as 'c*s' women.

no-one personifies fragile, cartoonish femininity and visibly stereotyped actions and possessions more than Julie Bindel

I thought feminists were supposed to be reviled as mannish aggressive man-haters, when did we turn into fragile feminine flowers instead?

Meh, we've been at the stage of TRAs just making shit up for ages, openly admitting trolling 'terfs'.

I'm sure Sady doesn't actually believe it all though. That would be pretty embarrassing...

Women are also objecting to Always bending over backwards for one XX person because that person identifies as 'trans' while ignoring the thousands upon thousands of women who have complained about their scented, thrush inducing products.

The blatant double standard makes Always look like a bunch of misogynistic arses and clearly demonstrates trans privilege.

What a twerp.

No one is saying all menstrual products need to be 'gendered' (ie decorated in a 'feminine' way). least of all GC feminists.

Women are objecting to the idea implicit in the Always issue that the internationally recognised symbol for female (used by biologists etc) is now unacceptable.

'TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart.'

I can think of many transwomen who fit this description. No "TERFS", though. I guess she hasn't spoken to any of the Tumblr and Twitter TRAs who're now openly saying that butch is code for TERF.

sorry

'TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart.'

Has she even ever MET any feminists?

If they had any genuine counterpoints to our argument, they wouldn't have to misrepresent us, would they?

Time after time we see TRAs lying about rad fem beliefs because they believe it's a gotcha and therefore they win. But reality still exists and we'll keep fighting for the importance of sex segregated spaces and the right of children of either sex to play with any toys or wear any clothes without being transed.

"In practice, however, TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart."

Eh what? This is surely the opposite of a gender critical feminist.

That's odd. My trans ex-husband ascribes to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which his every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest his whole sense of self falls apart

Can't say as I've ever heard of Sady Doyle before but then I'm just an ordinary woman not someone who has read or studied feminist theory or who has any intention of doing so.

None the less it is obvious to me that Doyle has no clue what she's blethering on about. Those awful TERFs, of whom I'm apparently one along with 99% of the human race, aren't the ones saying women have to wear pink fluffy things. That's the trans privilege activists. The evil TERFs are the ones living in the real world where being a woman is simply being an adult member of the female half of the human race (hint for very stupid people like Doyle, XY trans people are not female they are male).

I often wonder if people like Doyle think writing screeds of nonsensical claptrap with big words makes them sound clever. It doesn't. Clever people can make a sound argument in plain English.

Doyle is clearly dim. Menstruating is associated with womanhood and always will be because only women menstruate. See also pregnancy, breast feeding, cervical cancer, anything else that only women's bodies are capable of for good or ill. Just as things like ejaculating will always be associated with manhood. These aren't value judgements, just biological facts. It takes an incredibly thick person to deny them.

TERFs ascribe to a cartoonishly fragile femininity, in which a woman’s every outfit, belonging, and activity must be visibly gendered, lest her whole sense of self fall apart. There is no other reason why TERF figurehead Julie Bindel would be sighted, in public, throwing a fit about insufficiently feminine menstrual products.

Well, no-one personifies fragile, cartoonish femininity and visibly stereotyped actions and possessions more than Julie Bindel. FFS.

I think misogyny is woven into every part of out lives and it's easy for some women to flip to the other side. Give those older wimmin a good kickin', don't listen to them, certainly don't hear them. Ridicule, gaslight and push them out of the public square.

They are just cool girls that will wake up one day and see that all they did was unpick hard won rights and protections. sorry

Gobshite.