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Woman cringingly apologises for considering gender critical ideas

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NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:30

She sounds terrified and desperately repentant, like someone who has strayed outside a cult and is frightened of the consequences.

goddessandhearth.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/i-was-a-terf-for-a-month/

TERFs aren’t feminists. Or rather, they are, but only in the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church are Christians – they’re using it as a front for their bigotry and don’t care who they hurt.

I was kicking myself that I didn’t know. I already knew about SWERFs. I didn’t know that TERFs and SWERFs went hand in hand. And I hadn’t looked into SWERFery as I didn’t want to know.

I still don’t quite understand how I got sucked in, even temporarily. My mental state aside, I guess it’s what I have coined “ingrained transphobia.”

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BadgertheBodger · 28/10/2019 00:06

I was going to say stuff but Whatwouldbigfatfannydo has it

What she said ^

Also; dear Goddess it is annoying as fuck when people think they have tackled and taken down the key GC arguments. I’m yet to see anything of the sort. This one didn’t even try. Disappointing 1/10

Inebriati · 28/10/2019 00:03

littlbrowndog Is that you? Were your ears burning? Halloween Grin

ChipOnMyOvary · 28/10/2019 00:02

Pumpkin

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 27/10/2019 23:51

Fucking hell. Didn't make it past the vulnerable and mental health at rock bottom bit. Angry Everyone and anyone can suffer from poor mental health - doesn't mean we've been robbed of every fucking brain cell we have. Hmm

We are women who refuse to centre men in feminism.
Women do not have penises.
Women only spaces are for women only.
Women have the right to consent to/ or refuse the genitals they touch.
Young women and girls should be free of predators asking them about tampons.
Lesbians do not need to accept a penis no matter who it's attached to.
We will not die in grease fires or have our graves dances on by cheating, misogynistic, narcissistic MEN.
Our sports will not be ruined by men taking our places and stealing our achievements.
Absolutely fuck everything else!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/10/2019 23:36

Its supporters suggest that women should relinquish what Doyle deems to be inappropriate control of their husbands and focus on their own happiness

I mean, one way to do that would be to LTB.

(Is helpful)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/10/2019 23:34

She sounds not very bright and not very sure of herself. Combine that with female socialization and the surrendered wife crap and yeah, no surprises that you end up with a person who's desperate to be approved of.

Karabair · 27/10/2019 23:11

Except TERFs and SWERFs whom she doesn't mind insulting with dehumanising terms.

Siameasy · 27/10/2019 22:52

She sounds like a people pleaser. People pleasing is a disease.

littlbrowndog · 27/10/2019 22:47

Oh hey not terf. Yeah back 😂

forkfun · 27/10/2019 22:41

God, I hate blogs. Unreadable self-indulgent twaddle.

Creepster · 27/10/2019 22:30

I suspect most surrender wives are trapped in abusive relationships they cannot escape.

Creepster · 27/10/2019 22:29

Surrender wife: "The Surrendered Wives movement is inspired by a book, The Surrendered Wife by Laura Doyle. Its supporters suggest that women should relinquish what Doyle deems to be inappropriate control of their husbands and focus on their own happiness in order to bring romance and intimacy back to their relationship."

Clearly her dom husband ordered her to apologize for her failure to submit to male dominance.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 27/10/2019 22:26

Oh good lord

She is gonna be sooooo embarrassed when she looks back on this

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 22:20

SWERF stands for 'sex worker exclusionary feminist'. It's not something anyone calls themselves. This article explains what a 'swerf' is, although of course it's pretty biased:

www.dailydot.com/irl/swerf/

Sex worker exclusionary radical feminism is based on the idea that all sex work is inherently oppressive. They criticize sex work industries like pornography, stripping, and camming as contributing to the objectification of women, and criticize all sex work as inevitably leading to violence or exploitation.

Mainstream feminists see SWERFs as patriarchally trying to control women’s bodies, and speaking over marginalized women while claiming to know what’s best for them.

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HandsOffMyRights · 27/10/2019 22:12

This reminds me of the Rose McGowan video, which in turn reminded me of a hostage video.

Is SWERFery a 'thing'?

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 22:07

Hey LBD! Welcome back. :)

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littlbrowndog · 27/10/2019 22:03

Cripes so much time to be writing and thinking about this stuff this woman

Bored me to death reading it
How boring to actually live it

Dull as fuck tbh

TheNaughtyStep · 27/10/2019 22:00

Perhaps she's a Surrendered wife of someone who has recently transitioned?

Waterl00 · 27/10/2019 21:58

That's sad to read, and the TRA friend she has thanking her underneath is the unavoidable twitterer, Grimwade.

Grimwade caused much amusement recently by twittering about experiencing "menaporsal" (sic) symptoms because too skint to buy dodgy illegal hormone patches for a few months. No doubt Pixie could empathise with that temporary menopause in your 20s as a when coming off cross sex hormones as this is perfectly normal gender non conforming stuff, eh? We should be encouraging our kids to consider this life course as "valid".

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:57

I wish she'd see this thread and come to talk through why she disagrees with gender critical feminism. Somehow I can't see that happening though. It's all about emotion and repenting thought-sins.

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BarbaraStrozzi · 27/10/2019 21:53

Yes a quick scoot round the rest of her webpage reveals someone with some rather unusual views.

But for me it's always been about the practical consequences.

Do you put Karen White in a women's prison? (And if - as was done - you put White in a women's prison where he then goes on to sexually assault several of the female inmates, what do you say to those women in defence of your decision?)

Do you let transwomen with all the physiological advantages male puberty gives them compete in women's sport?

Do you say to a woman who's been raped and finds being around male bodies traumatising "No, you cannot look for or set up a women-only rape survivors' group to help you heal"?

Do you put a child who's expressed discomfort with their sexed body on puberty blockers then cross sex hormones?

My answer to all these questions is "no."

Beyond that, I don't really care. You want to believe in gendered souls? Fine. Knock yourself out. I don't share your belief, but beliefs themselves don't hurt people, it's the practical consequences of acting on beliefs that matter. You want to wear whatever you feel like? Crack on, I'm happy with that. You want to engage in activities and hobbies usually undertaken by the opposite sex? Also fine. I've spent over 50 years doing just that too (though I don't find I have to think of myself as male in order to do so).

Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:51

It is a thing. It sounds like it's her thing.

Karabair · 27/10/2019 21:51

"I am quite confused how she has seen NO HATE for terfs on Twitter."

She doesn't know how to use the Twitter search function or Google.

umbel · 27/10/2019 21:50

Isn't being a surrendered wife a "thing"?

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:49

If she's 'surrendered' then right wing Christianity should be right up her alley.

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