Who decided this was a step in the right direction?

We are aware. There is no need to shout

THIS IS NOT FOR TRANS WOMEN’S BENEFIT, ITS FOR TRANS MEN AND NON BINARY FOLK

The comments on the Facebook feed are mostly sensible at least. They often are outside of the Twitter bubble. The general public aren’t buying it.

Michelleoftheresistance that is depressingly true.

Perhaps they will replace that god-awful floral air freshener smell with something a bit more Lynx Africa?

I think I'd rather feel invalidated than get thrush, tbh. So I'd say removing the scent really ought to be a higher priority.

Here's a fun spoof.

RED GLITTER?

It's blood ffs and lumps of utetine lining. It's gore ffs.

But no it's something for women so let's pretend it's lovely shiny red FUCKING glitter.

That has enraged me.

Something that causes to many problems for women and girls all over the world including death reduced to Sparkly prettikins because girls.

FUCK OFF.

There are people on my FB posting about “how this is just great inclusivity I don’t understand why anyone would object And anyway nobody bought it because of the symbol”. And because I don’t want a fight in public I have left it.

But to me whilst on one level yeah it doesn’t matter to me (I hated the smell of this brand and didn’t notice the logo previously) in my mind this is the thin edge of the wedge where we have to refer to pregnant persons and chest feeding because inclusivity.

There truly are people who quite enjoy seeing women 'put in their place'.

The facts stand: one TM verbalised an issue. Always instantly made a thing of separating evidence of biology away from their product.
Many women have verbalised they're not happy about this. No one cares. Women have verbalised for ages en masse about the scented issue. No one cares.

Several new posters have arrived on threads discussing it to tell women they're irrational, it doesn't matter, they have no business minding about this when there are other feminist issues they haven't solved yet.

Obvious: women's feelings not important to anyone. Offending and silencing women: pretty much a virtuous thing to do. Pleasure for some in smugly reminding women of this.

Equally obvious: a lot of evidence of exactly what women are saying about sexism and oppression of women.

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The "right" direction is one in which we all collectively pretend that we don't know that women menstruate and men do not?

I have cross dressing friend who'd be more than a little annoyed if he was called trans, as far as he's concerned he likes dresses and skirts and that doesn't make him a woman (by any spelling)

A lot of gnc women are more than a little annoyed that they are labeled as "cis" too, but hey, who are we to decide our own identities?

Previous thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2980753-not-everyone-who-menstruates-is-female

Yes, the loudest and most aggressive activists are transwomen, Qcng.
But I have come across transmen and those from the the non-binary alphabet soup (albeit online) who get very upset when things aren't 'inclusive'. All the hot arguments and lectures I've experienced and seen online come from women who can't bear to be called women or their 'cis allies'.

There was a men only mental health support group started in Scotland recently and soon after its launch a transman caused a big scene online because the organisers said, no it's male only. Of course the men stood their ground, endured some abuse and the transman eventually slinked away, which is the difference. If it was a female only group, the transwomen would have been relentless. The organisers still issued a grovelling apology but said they would continue to keep the group male only.

I have regular arguments with women who exhibit great offense at being described as women and prefer all sorts of labels, while still wanting to be included in women groups online and demanding that things be changed like the group name so that they feel included. eyeroll

A step in the right direction to erase the internationally recognised symbol for 'female' - routinely used by scientists? Righty-ho.

In a sense it doesn't matter in this case - these products are only of any use to females. Everyone knows that. But in other contexts, it does matter. Any suggestion that the Venus symbol is taboo is seriously problematic.

sorry. Found it!

Whats ftfy?

On the other hand it is perhaps a bit daft labeling something so obviously for female use as 'for women'. Almost suggests that women need telling this is for them.

Saying "it's for transmen and non binary people" is a bit gaslighty imo.

As Anotherlongdrive says, it's for transmen who apparently can't bear to be reminded about their biology

I'm quite sceptical about that claim, as we all know which type of transpeople scream the loudest then the earth moves for them, and we all know which type of transpeople are hell bent on erasing womanhood so they can claim it for themselves, and we all know which type of transpeople frequently complain about associating womanhood with female biology.
It's not normally transmen.

but I can absolutely guarantee you one thing....... that they think they are leftwing and intersectional.

ftfy

Who decided?
I don't know, but I can absolutely guarantee you one thing....... that they are leftwing and intersectional.

Cross dressing is trans, ask Stonewall.

Well thats Stonewall for you. I have cross dressing friend who'd be more than a little annoyed if he was called trans, as far as he's concerned he likes dresses and skirts and that doesn't make him a woman (by any spelling)