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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rocks

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chilling19 · 24/10/2019 11:31

A woman cutting through the BS.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/23/alexandria-

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terfsandwich · 25/10/2019 03:30

Also Jewish people have white privilege so they need to stop talking and taking up space in discussions about racial discrimination.
What a fucked up ideology.

terfsandwich · 25/10/2019 03:29

No apparently Irish people's oppression is historic so they need to get over it. According to woke libfems I've seen on fb.

Goosefoot · 25/10/2019 03:26

As a racial minority with a class privileged background, she uses identity politics to leverage herself as disadvantaged and assert her rights as a leader. So she believes TWAW because it goes hand in hand with her own so called oppression.

Yup.

It's kind of strange, in some parts of the political spectrum its become almost necessary to identify as some sort of oppressed group in order to get into politics or to become politically active.

The right group though, my Irish Catholic indentured worker ancestors won't do the trick and more than the ones that were toffs.

Backinthecloset123 · 25/10/2019 02:46

Cannot stand AOC. She’s a lying idiot. She is not bright or clever at all.
Raised in a 1% suburb of NYC on a household income that never dipped below $500k/yr. Her bartending was rich kid city slumming a la “Friends”. Her mother bought an apartment in the Bronx so she’d have the “local address” to launch her political career where she’d run largely unopposed.

This. She's so woke it's embarrassing.

terfsandwich · 25/10/2019 02:26

As a racial minority with a class privileged background, she uses identity politics to leverage herself as disadvantaged and assert her rights as a leader. So she believes TWAW because it goes hand in hand with her own so called oppression.

2BthatUnnoticed · 25/10/2019 01:55

I was “twaw” myself as I had no clue what it really meant. I thought it was simply a kindness to people suffering gender dysphoria.. NOT that all single sex spaces would become mixed sex and that ANY male could self-identify in Shock

AOC is liberal and TWAW is one of the lines they have to toe. Trans lobbyists give funding to the Dems and the GOP, and Politicians don’t bite the hands that fund them.

Women and children don’t have effective lobby groups nor give big donations. It’s not about what anyone believes, it’s about money.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 24/10/2019 21:32

But a heck of a lot of people argue TWAW before they suddenly realise its bunk.

Some have more potential than others to cause damage before they get there.

StopThePlanet · 24/10/2019 21:27

AOC gets more wrong than right.

TWAW mantra and 'cis'-apologist... comfortable with men in women's restrooms because feelz with zero regard for dignity and safety of females? Totes cool with TW playing in women's sports? Catering to male fantasies above female reality? No thanks

Free college? Awesome, I'm on board!

Subjective morals over facts and proper understanding and proper representation of data? No thanks

Re-envision the US economy through the eyes of a Democratic Socialist hidden within the Green New Deal? Actively playing out "absolute power corrupts absolutely"? Giving an oppressive biased incompetent and corrupt government complete control over our economic system? No thanks

Reparations ignoring all but one group that the U.S. was built on the backs of? Like Native Americans staring in 1607 - Trail of Tears anyone? 130million NA people murdered through genocide, hello?!? Chinese indentured servants/laborers legally discriminated against via federal legislature? Women as a class?!?!? Can we get focused here please? Reparations aren't going to work as all of the people in the above groups as well descendants of African slaves will end up having to pay for the reparations indirectly through tax revenue generated from their individual tax returns. No thanks

Medicare for all with no way to pay for it except a false claim that $21 trillion was unaccounted for at the Pentagon over a 17yr period? Giving absolute power to our corrupt government known for testing on its citizens control of those same citizen's medical care? No thanks

I believe she genuinely wants to make this country a better place I just don't agree with how she proposes we get there.

"I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right."

💯, facts are measurable and data (collection/analysis methods thereof can be scrutinized) reveals quantifiable and qualifiable insights whereas morals are subjective an open to interpretation (opinions). Whose morals do you propose we adopt in this country fumbling towards a 1984 Brave New World?

DoctorAllcome · 24/10/2019 21:13

Cannot stand AOC. She’s a lying idiot. She is not bright or clever at all.
Raised in a 1% suburb of NYC on a household income that never dipped below $500k/yr. Her bartending was rich kid city slumming a la “Friends”. Her mother bought an apartment in the Bronx so she’d have the “local address” to launch her political career where she’d run largely unopposed.

timshelthechoice · 24/10/2019 21:11

She's a virtue-signalling woke one.

JoyceJeffries · 24/10/2019 21:08

She’s too woke for me.
Her inability to think critically instead of agreeing with everything that is popular in her Twitter bubble is a big problem.

GrumpyGran8 · 24/10/2019 21:03

But a heck of a lot of people argue TWAW before they suddenly realise its bunk.
I'm hoping that will prove to be the case with AOC. But realistically, that probably won't happen.
She jumped into the gamerguy's Mermaid fundraiser primarily to raise her own profile amongst the "woke young"; then supported the trans powerlifter largely (it seems to me) because her good friend ilhan Omar supported it. It appears she will speak in support of anything that she thinks appeals to her fanbase of teenagers and students, especially if Trump and the Republicans are against it - hence her endorsement of TWAW.
I'm now waiting to hear what she says about the sad case of the transitioning 7-year old Texan boy. That she's so far stayed silent on this may may be a sign that she's finally getting peaktransed.

Goosefoot · 24/10/2019 18:44

But a heck of a lot of people argue TWAW before they suddenly realise its bunk.

Goosefoot · 24/10/2019 18:44

I don't love her, (though I quite like Sanders.) But she's all identity politics all the time.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 24/10/2019 16:06

@Dervel Star love it!!

TiredofthisBS · 24/10/2019 15:42

@Dervel of course! Grin

Dervel · 24/10/2019 13:53

@TiredofthisBS I’m a little in love with “wokey folky” can I steal it please?

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 24/10/2019 13:52

No.

@FWRLurker and @FadingStar @nauticant have already made the points I came on to make.

NewNameGuy · 24/10/2019 13:49

Her opinion on almost everything is wrong

FadingStar · 24/10/2019 13:46

I just don't see how believing that TWAW is anything but misogyny. And it has been pointed out and explained to her umpteen times that women's rights are being horrendously stripped away because of this ideology yet she is rigid. So a definite No from me too.

jadefinch · 24/10/2019 13:17

She said she has 'cis privilege' so it's a no from me

twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1090743786827927552

FWRLurker · 24/10/2019 13:14

I would agree with the last poster as I agree many of us have changed our minds. However her support extends to unqualified backing of males in women’s sport. She said that keeping a male Minnesota WEIGHTLIFTER out of powerlifting was transphobic hate and bigotry. Even at my wokest I went “hmmm” to TW in women’s sport and the best I could muster was a “weeeell maybe it could be fair if someone was on E for a long time and had surgery...”

She needs to get off social media and talk to her constituents in person.

chilling19 · 24/10/2019 13:12

Just find it hard to understand how such a bright woman cannot apply her critical thinking skills in relation to the trans issue. Baffling.

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Matereality · 24/10/2019 13:02

Many of used to think that TWAW. I'm inclined to give her more time.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 24/10/2019 12:35

People are multi faceted innit?

Like Stella Creasy who believes TWAW but is clear enough about female biology to fight for the women of Northern Ireland to have access to abortion (and once again Stella, good on you for that Flowers )

I don’t know much about A O’C, but I try not to completely discount someone just because they’ve had a little fail on understanding basic biology

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