A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport

That article in the WesternJournal was distinctly unimpressed with McKinnons claims. The last quote from McKinnon made me chuckle.

“If you win because bigotry got your competition banned … you’re a loser,” he said.

If only there were meaningful words to describe the people with penises and those without - wouldn't it be great if one day there was a way of testing cells to see which category people belonged to - futuristic musing obviously.

”I just want to play rugby."

Funny. In 1996 we told a local rugby club that. We were told “sure you use the facilities, go and find enough women to make it worth while”. So we did.

Why aren’t transwomen being told to raise funds, to create their own teams like women were. If they’re so desperate to be women, why the special fucking treatment?

I’ve been involved in rugby for well over 20 years. First time I am expected to tackle a bloke I will be hitting him where it hurts.

If you have a penis, play on a sports team with other people who have penises. It isn’t tricky.

I wish that the old men who are responsible for making the rules in sport, would step outside their vacuum chamber and actually listen to what ordinary, sensible people think about this ridiculous situation.
Read the comments at the end of this article.

www.westernjournal.com/transgender-cyclist-wins-womens-world-championship-goes-critics/

I think you're right Three - science and biology just keeps getting in the way of magical thinking. It's so inconvenient that a person can't change sex - far better to believe that men can literally become women and 2 + 2 can = 5.....

Of course I'm right, it goes without saying. Maths, another subject of logic - needs to go too really. But of course start with science, so that way it's just one thing.

Or it might just give the message that nobody wants to watch women's sport.

If women refuse to be silenced, then they'll hear our equality and rights message. At the moment, they have ear plugs in, but to quote a favourite song of mine from my childhood "and if you can't hear us, WE'LL SHOUT A LITTLE LOUDER"

I think you're right Three - science and biology just keeps getting in the way of magical thinking. It's so inconvenient that a person can't change sex - far better to believe that men can literally become women and 2 + 2 can = 5.....

I think empty seats and falling ticket revenues would get the message across pretty quickly.

Or it might just give the message that nobody wants to watch women's sport.

Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.

Perfectly said, those bloody science-believers. Seriously, they believe in biology and human anatomy?! Probably same people who think the earth is round, it's obviously flat. Idiots, the lot of them. How can someone be so uneducated? Beyond me. Anyone with any common sense knows that psychology changes reality. Perhaps science should just be scrapped all together and replaced with ideology. They really ought to close their eyes more, stop seeing what science proves. It'd certainly make me feel better, which is all that matters.

This video shows a feminist, Democrat lawyer, talking about McKinnon, trans issues in general and why the voices of left leaning feminists are being shouted down, particularly where gender issues are concerned. Tucker Carson is one of the few political commentators to take this subject on.

video.foxnews.com/v/6097204442001/#sp=show-clips

How educated does one need to be? And does Biology education count? Probably puts you at a disadvantage to be fair in the whole believing people can change sex thing.

A few deletions on this thread. Someone is watching.

I'm always baffled by this idea that if I was just 'educated' enough I'd agree with this.

It was educating myself on this subject that meant I formed the decision, for myself, that someone's biological sex is a fixed fact, it cannot be changed, there are bleeding obvious reasons why males should not be competing in women's sport for fairness, safety and basic equality of women let alone anything else. And women's sport is not focused on supporting the preferred identity of someone born male, regardless of how distressed or vulnerable that person born male is.

Fundamentally, this is about prioritising people born male at all costs over people born female, with people born female being told how wrong and thick and unkind they are if they don't agree.

I'm all for the education. Bring on the education, please, and I'll be delighted to read and reply - using critical thinking obviously. But I think what you actually mean by education is that you will tell me what to think, and then expect me to be compliant to it.

Most of you clearly don't know what transgender means, what the difference between sex and gender is, or even how hormone therapy affects someone's body. Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid. Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot

That winning combination of ignorance and arrogance.

At first I thought the images had been photoshopped but then I realised they are all genuine :(
OMG this is so ridiculous transsexuals are stronger and double the size of women who were born female it's just not fear, why cant we have a separate league for transsexual in sport?

God this whole issue is the Emperor's New Clothes. How stupid / led by the nose do you have to be not to recognise the unfairness?

And false analogies:

Most champion sprinters are of West African origin, but once in a while there is an Allan Wells, a Pietro Minnea or a Kathy Smallwood-Cook.

Most champion distance runners are from the Great Rift in East Africa, but there are occasional exceptions such as Paula Radcliffe.

Men are faster than women. No fastest woman has ever been competitive with the fastest men. Not one. Not ever. Never.

Caster Semenya has made themselves ineligible for some events by refusing to comply with current IAAF rules. Other DSD athletes have moved to other distances such as 400m or 5k.

So how come Castor Semenya was banned from competing in athletics, and she is not a trans woman. Do different sports have different rules?

Caster wasn’t banned. Caster was refusing to reduce their male levels of testosterone (produced by internal testes, because Caster is biologically male) wanted to “run free”.

Yeah bigots, this is not a 50 odd year old man

Playing in a GIRLS COLLEGE team.

No, this is a teenage transwoman living her true self.

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

Most of you clearly don't know what transgender means, what the difference between sex and gender is, or even how hormone therapy affects someone's body. Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid. Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot

Translation service:

You don’t know
=you disagree with me

Opinions are uneducated
=You must submit to brainwashing

Opinions... not valid
=no one has the right to disagree with the new-think

You look like a complete idiot
=you’re just like the boy who shouted that the emperor wasn’t wearing any clothes

HTH

They are all cheaters. The ethics of winning a game is based on fairness.
That sporting organisations are complicit in this and don't care about women's opportunities and safety is disgusting.

ApplesinmyPocket

I don't watch soaps and had never heard of Hayley Cropper, but seriously you couldn't make it up - introduce a transwoman into the soap and have a female actor play them, in order to do what exactly, show the general public how "female" a transwoman is?

"full legal status in their acquired sex." - Doesn't even know the difference between sex and gender.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayley_Cropper

Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid.

There is that 'valid' word again. Is it half term?

"Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot."

We are already up to "speed" on the subject thanks, you may wish to proof read your posts next time.
The fact that athletes such as McKinnon, Hubbard, Weatherly and the like are winning, totally debunks the fact that they have lost all their strength - they are still male bodied.
McKinnon is faster this year than last year, so that invalidates all the points which you have tried - unsuccessfully - to make.