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A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport

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LemonGingerCakes · 23/10/2019 22:23

I've never started a thread like this before, but this is bothering me.

No comments. Just letting the pictures speak.

Spot the transwoman.

How is this fair?

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
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andyoldlabour · 30/01/2021 12:53

Here are the U18 world athletics records. Look at the difference in records when the weight increases in the throwing events. Imagine a male fast bowler in cricket using the lighter ball against women batters. I think they would be regularly bowling faster than Joffra Archer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_under-18_bests_in_athletics#Boys

NorthernIrishFeminist · 29/01/2021 17:08

Wow the hurdles, look at how the girls are having to jump whilst CeCe barely changes their stride Angry

334bu · 29/01/2021 16:58

Another US college athlete June Eastwood.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
CaraDuneRedux · 29/01/2021 16:07

Thanks, Andy. I was going to look that up earlier but hadn't got round to it.

IIRC for "throwing" events, men have a 30% advantage over women (compared to about 10% for most running events) according to Ross Tucker's extensive literature survey for World Rugby, and androgen blockers/female hormones given to male athletes make next to no impact on this difference.

andyoldlabour · 29/01/2021 13:10

Athletics weight specifications for throwing implements

Discus - men 2Kg - women 1Kg
Shot - men 7.26Kg - women 4Kg
Javelin - men 800g - women 600g
Hammer - men 7.26Kg - women 4Kg

online-entries.co.uk/misc/OGM_specs_2016.pdf

andyoldlabour · 29/01/2021 13:02

NotBadConsidering
Thanks for that, I assume that would be NCAA then, which makes it even worse. The women's hurdles stay at 33" and the men's go up to 42".

NotBadConsidering · 29/01/2021 12:22

CeCe was in college, not high school. Franklin Pierce, NCAA division 2. Was a senior when this story came out though, so I don’t know what CeCe is up to now.

www.fpuravens.com/sports/wtrack/2018-19/releases/021719WITF-NE10

Winesalot · 29/01/2021 12:21

And andy this is a HUGE part of this that people really don't get.

Women's sports have equipment designed for their bodies limitations. When males participate in women's sports, their 'competitiveness' is enhanced so much by the advantages they have combined with the different equipment.

Of course, if you use a hunking great big cricket bat designed for males you are simply going to hit every ball for six when it is bowled slowly enough that you can hit it. particularly in the ball is lighter too.

And of course, women's hurdles are a doddle.

It is so bleeding obvious.

andyoldlabour · 29/01/2021 12:15

Forgot to post the link for that.

docshare02.docshare.tips/files/24081/240817448.pdf

andyoldlabour · 29/01/2021 12:13

If CeCe Telfer was competing against the males, then CeCe would be jumping over much higher hurdles. High school girls 33", high school boys 39". That along with CeCe's other male advantages makes a huge difference.

Quadzilla · 29/01/2021 12:09

Gosh that's hard to watch. The winner is huge in comparison with the girls Sad

334bu · 29/01/2021 10:05

twitter.com/i/status/1354753411879583744

334bu · 29/01/2021 10:05

twitter.com/i/status/1354753411879583744( 2nd video clip)

Guess the rest of the girls were not trying hard enough.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 27/01/2021 22:29

Body builder Chris Tina Bruce, the first competitive transgender bodybuilder, 2012.
Worth a watch.They didn't win and it was a very minor competition but paving the way for future MtF transgender competitors, begs the question of what the judging criteria could be, without obliterating female competitors in the future.

CaraDuneRedux · 27/01/2021 19:34

I got it, Andy, but I'm a sad cricket geek. My dad actually saw Bradman play at the end of his career.

Blythin is a cheat.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 27/01/2021 19:29

Thanks andyoldlabour I will admit to knowing very little about cricket so I had no context for the ‘old days’. I watch professional sports for sports primarily where I do/did participate and sports women are participating in, (so watched a lot of gymnastics, tennis etc when younger). The long list of sports that largely excluded females when I was younger included cricket.

andyoldlabour · 27/01/2021 16:11

NorthernIrishFeminist

I was referring to Don Bradman with the "old days" quote, but you are entirely correct, Blythin set that "amazing" average, playing against other women's county teams, on a women's pitch, using a smaller ball, using a bat which most women would struggle to use.
It is a totally unacceptable situation.

MoleSmokes · 27/01/2021 14:42

Winesalot Gender fluid cricketing in Kent with Maxine.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
Justhadathought · 27/01/2021 14:40

It’s really easy to use old photos to rile up old rhetoric and instigate H##E on a thread and forum for others to follow but how many on here are actually involved with sport in any way ?How many actually get out beyond their keyboard and do something not just for sport but for their community and are in any way promoting sport or exercise

Just shows who your imagined audience is here. you seem to have an utterly one dimensional view of the people who post here and who are in one way or another critical of gender ideology.

gardenbird48 · 27/01/2021 14:30

How many trans players making up the England team will it take before they decide this is unfair? Will coaches start suggesting players that have just missed the male team tryout for the women’s as they dont have to be full time ‘women’ anyway?

Once the initial premise is accepted that male sexed people can join the women’s team, there would be no real argument against this happening.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 27/01/2021 14:18

@andyoldlabour

NorthernIrishFeminist

That was in the "old days" when things were a lot more straightforward than they are now. Interestingly enough, I have seen side on pictures of Blythin batting and the bat is massive, much larger than my bat which I used twenty years ago.
The combination of a male using a heavy bat against a lighter ball, with shorter boundaries is always going to end in a run fest.

I dont understand what you mean by the ‘old days’ when things were more straightforward in this context Confused

Did Blythin set that record playing against men on their size ‘pitch’ or playing against women with smaller ‘pitch’/shorter boundaries, opponents etc?

And hang on does Blythin use a different size bat to the women players on the days when Blythin’s in ‘girl mode’ and playing on the female team?

Fuck me everyone going along with this in cricket is just making themselves look ridiculous. They’ve already decided sex does make a difference in the different equipment, boundaries etc.

How many trans players making up the England team will it take before they decide this is unfair? Will coaches start suggesting players that have just missed the male team tryout for the women’s as they dont have to be full time ‘women’ anyway?

andyoldlabour · 27/01/2021 14:05

Fastest male bowlers in the World.

sportsshow.net/top-10-current-fastest-bowlers/

Fastest woman bowlers in the World.

www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-female-pace-race-who-will-be-the-fastest-of-them-all-20200220-p542p0.html

andyoldlabour · 27/01/2021 14:01

NorthernIrishFeminist

That was in the "old days" when things were a lot more straightforward than they are now. Interestingly enough, I have seen side on pictures of Blythin batting and the bat is massive, much larger than my bat which I used twenty years ago.
The combination of a male using a heavy bat against a lighter ball, with shorter boundaries is always going to end in a run fest.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 27/01/2021 13:39

@andyoldlabour

Winesalot

Maxine also set a batting average record, which would have eclipsed that of the greatest ever batsman, the legendary Don Bradman. If that doesn't get so called intelligent people scratching their heads, then I don't know what will.

Was that legendary batting average playing in the men’s team?

Or was it against women using lighter bats & balls?

andyoldlabour · 27/01/2021 13:01

Winesalot

Maxine also set a batting average record, which would have eclipsed that of the greatest ever batsman, the legendary Don Bradman. If that doesn't get so called intelligent people scratching their heads, then I don't know what will.