A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport

"So how come Castor Semenya was banned from competing in athletics, and she is not a trans woman. Do different sports have different rules?"

Because the IOC/IAAF/UCI and lots of other sporting organisations, have not really thought about the implications of including male bodied people in women's sports - or they don't really care.
It really is that depressingly simple.

I heard about the fractured skull one in boxing. If nothing else it’s just plain dangerous.

We are honoured

"The fact that they still look so male demonstrates how far from female "

That's why these pictures need to be posted. Because many of those new to this debate hear the word 'transwoman' and they think 'well what's the problem letting them into women's loos/sports/showers', picturing a slight, effeminate, passing TW like Hayley Cropper in Corrie - but Hayley was played by a WOMAN of course, which now I think must have been a deliberate intention to mislead - not malicious probably, as TRAs were not so powerful at the time, but a realisation that if the viewers were going to believe Hayley had "changed sex" then their best chance was to put a woman in the role. For obvious reasons.

I found this website on twitter. It shows with great graphics the facts and stats.

Apologies if it has already been posted.

boysvswomen.com/

JudasIsMyHomeboy

Let me guess. You believe that humans can change sex. You haven't got one peer reviewed article that supports transwomen competing against women.

I think the stark truth of these pictures and their likely helpful impact on the general public's awareness of this growing scandal has touched a raw nerve. I'm enjoying watching the spluttering outrage...

Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.

Arrogance, wokeness and disablism all in one post. Well done. You’re alright I’ll continue centring women and supporting them against cheating male bodied trans people.

Thanks for educating us Judas..

Right where were we...?

Most of you clearly don't know what transgender means, what the difference between sex and gender is, or even how hormone therapy affects someone's body. Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid. Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.

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It's a catch 22 situation because transgender people tend to take on hormone treatment. If a transgender woman takes on hormone treatment, she is then given a slight disadvantage competing with men and at risk of injury. If a transgender man takes on hormone treatment, he is then at an advantage competing against women and the women he is competing against are at risk of injury.

So it's a risk ratio thing. Do you allow that one or two transgender people to be at risk or the rest of the team and competitors? If it was to be a risk ratio thing then both transgender men and women would have to play for male teams and against male competitors as they would be at risk but their competitors and other team mates would not be.

In individual sports, there's already advantages. Black people are faster than white, Asian and Indian people. White people are faster swimmers than black, Indian and Asian people. The advantages are very slight however so we don't note them but we are aware that black people tend to win running and sprinting events and white people tend to win swimming events. We accept this because no one can determine their race and if their natural state causes them an advantage then so be it. Someone can't decide to be black so they win a sprinting event for example.

However, the way they are handling sport at the moment, people can become transgender to gain an advantage and with the testing being very loose, they don't actually even have to be religious with hormone treatment and could easily live as their born sex between events and only loosely take the hormones to be able to get in and compete and have that advantage but it's only trans women that stand to gain an advantage at the moment really, no shock there.

It's really a case of who shouts the loudest gets heard. It isn't about sport or ability, it's about not pissing people off. If a trans woman is rejected from a womans team, the papers would be all over it and there would be an outcry. If a woman speaks up and says she is upset and in fear because she's got a trans woman to compete against on Saturday and she's worried she'll be injured, she'll be told to shut up and not be a trans phobe basically and how they're on hormone treatment and that has made them become 'just like a woman'.

Disabled people have been more than happy to have their own sporting events for a long time and they have no control over their disability and don't see it as segregation. What would be so wrong with trans people having their own sporting events? It eliminates risk totally and also the ability to fake your way into a team or event to gain advantage. I certainly wouldn't sit and watch a woman wrestle against a trans woman and I can imagine that woman is quite scared or at the very least, finding it all very unfair. I will sound out of line here but the general public that stick with their born sex and lead their lives just keep needing to suffer for these minorities to be happy. When will the line be drawn? When will it happen that a minority will finally be allowed to be upset just one time and not get everything their way for once to please the average Joe that make up 95% of the population!

Eh who are you talking to angry pp

Either they are male or female. If they are male then yes it is unfair.

To those criticising us uploading these photos, you can fuck off and then fuck off some more.

WE are disrespectful?????? Nope, the disrespectful ones are the male bodied athletes in women's teams.

Don't you dare try to say I'm not being 'kind'.

What is dumb and disrespectful?

Most of you sound SO uneducated that it ends up being just funny. Unbelievable that so many people can get together to be this dumb and disrespectful.

Was just googling sex and professional sport as I’m not up with how they determine sex or if they do

In November 2015, the IOC held a meeting to address both its transgender and hyperandrogenism policies. In regard to transgender athletes it stated that transgender athletes cannot be excluded from an opportunity to participate in sporting competition. Transgender athletes who identified themselves as female would be allowed to compete in that category as long as their testosterone levels were below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months prior to the competition. There would be no restrictions on transgender athletes who identify and compete as male.

So how come Castor Semenya was banned from competing in athletics, and she is not a trans woman. Do different sports have different rules?

I’m going by the assumption that people know these people are trans women.

If they don’t know but are going by images alone then yes that is flawed.

Lemonginger i completely agree with you. I used to compete in a sport where male/female performance differentials are particularly acute, and I'm waiting to see the impact of these changes because if transwomen start swapping into female teams, the impact is going to be huge. But this thread shows that doing it by photos... there are photos that do seem to sum the issue up, and I've looked at them myself (RMcK on podiums for example). But on this thread we see that in sports in particular, at least in still photos, with so much of the trappings of femininity removed (which is one of those things that makes womens sport so valuable), women don't always pass as feminine enough. This thread shows how shit femininity is, it shows how important womens sports are but using still photos as the basis of anything will undermine the gender critical argument. And that's dangerous.

The 'presentation' of the trans athletes is generally pretty much identical to their female counterparts. It's their physicality which is noticeably different.

Sex, not 'gender'.

Don’t worry mement0mori, it’s worth repeating.