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What is being taught in schools regarding transgender ideology?

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AugustL · 23/10/2019 01:57

Hi, is there a thread being kept to record what is being taught in schools in the U.K. Or elsewhere?

I saw this on Twitter. It's in a school in America. For 4th grade which is apparently 9 yrs old.

mobile.twitter.com/teacher2teacher/status/1186749900911869952

I just thought, kids are going to be confused. They are going to make children think they are transgender when they're not. Kids will go home from this lesson wondering and worrying if they are born wrong. That's going to lead to bad mental health. Next week how many will say they're transgender? Some may so joyfully because they've never fitted in, they've been gender non-conforming in some way. But changing to the opposite gender, or sex is not the answer. What does it mean "who you are , how you feel as a person"? Is that based on if I like something- a toy or item of clothing or how i play, if I "cry like a girl" like my dad tells me, or not, if I like glitter, pink, and princesses or not? If I like a flowery scarf but my dad said it was for girls? If I'm a girl but I like to play with the boys because they like playing outside like climbing trees and playing in mud? If I'm a boy but I don't like that? If I boy/girl like cars, dolls, dinosaurs, make up, dresses, dancing, rough play or not? Etc. Etc. And if people tell me "that's for girls!" Or " that's for boys"! Because that's how society conditioned them to think too. If I like some boy stuff and some girl stuff am I neither a boy or girl? What am i? Am I both? This is scary.
STOP THIS SEXIST HARMFUL NONSENSE. BREAK THE CYCLE. BOYS AND GIRLS CAN LIKE WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY ARE STILL BOY OR GIRL AS THEY WERE BORN. Stop confusing children and leading them to a pathway of anxiety, misery, medication, surgery, sterility, suicide, by making them uncertain of who they are and making them think they were born wrong. You are introducing this stuff to any child you teach this to and confusing them. At school they should be taught to break stereotypes, we could do anything, boy or girl. Transgender or transsexual as we used to call it in UK used to be if someone had gender dysphoria which was severe distress or discomfort with their body being the sex it was, I heard stories of boys wanting to chop their penis off and insisting they were a girl, for reasons unknown or various, treatment was to alleviate this distress or discomfort and if necessary transition - meds/surgery, which if not last resort, was certainly not first resort. ( there was also transvestite or cross dresser who liked to dress up for fun or sexual fetish - I guess they've been amalgamated into "transgender", as have "masculine women", and "feminine men" according to stonewall transgender umbrella) ANYWAYS, What you are doing here is asking children to choose if they are a boy or girl based on how they feel, which can only be based on regressive gender stereotypes which our society attributed and conditioned to their sex. We can change that, by breaking the stereotypes..not by saying they need to change themselves. This is going to make children think they are transgender when they are not. Why can people not see they are causing more problem than solving. It's almost like someone or some company will be benefiting from this? Who stands to benefit or make money? Medical companies? Tech? Where did all this suddenly come from? Why are these philosophical theories being taught as fact to kids? Why this social engineering to keep kids in gender stereotype boxes?

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PencilsInSpace · 23/10/2019 21:43

There's a conference in London on Sunday (27/10/19): 'Inventing the Transgender Child, a new Sex Education?'

Speakers: Heather Brunskell-Evans, Maureen O’Hara, Michele Moore, Stephanie Davies-Arai, Susan Matthews, Charlie Evans, Tracy Shaw.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/inventing-the-transgender-child-a-new-sex-education-conference-27-oct-19-tickets-69553718043

There are still some £15 tickets left.

AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 21:07

Also, are all kids just being asked to fill these in? I wonder what happens if they just hand it back and say "I'm fine, don't need to fill this in".

AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 21:05

even I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression about 20 years ago. Meds allow me to have a normal life. But the amount of commercial benefit being derived from it, aside from pharma, is immense. I also think it's grown exponentially in the last few years.

Evenquieterlife33 · 23/10/2019 20:41

@AutumnRose1 I think the questionnaire system is deeply flawed. It creates worries and anxiety in children. These worries and anxieties then need to be addressed by the councilling service. I can’t decide if it’s just a sad side effect of unprofessional individuals or if it’s a bit of a racket. We were at a large chain holiday park in the U.K. this summer. They had a shop with a brand of teddies a bit like the build-a-bear toys. They had about 6 different characters, each one had a large poster with a picture of the character over the top. One was a pink elephant in the more “girly/princess” styling section called “ANXIOUS ELEPHANT” anxiety and hysteria is literally being sold to kids. Especially girl children.

TrishTeres · 23/10/2019 20:31

Well worth searching Sex Change Regret. Also look up recent Tavistock clinic news stories.

AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 20:11

I don't have children but the things I hear from my friends make me wonder about the mental health "services" in schools.

That's not a flat out criticism; my goddaughter was in a car accident and the school counsellor helped a lot.

But actually sending questionnaires round, rather than dealing with problems that are brought to the service, seems a bit odd.

Evenquieterlife33 · 23/10/2019 20:00

I can’t type tonight.

Evenquieterlife33 · 23/10/2019 19:53

I don’t think schools should be dealing with sex education except from a Biological point of view. Because I don’t think they are qualified. I don’t think they should be dealing with mental health issues for the same reason. Just stick to the remit. These are serious and far reaching subjects with life changing consequences when they are administered by armatures.

Evenquieterlife33 · 23/10/2019 19:50

Sorry a copy of the transgender trend schools pack.

Evenquieterlife33 · 23/10/2019 19:49

My children’s primary school had a mental health awareness charity start working with them recently. A week or so ago another separate mental health charity came to the school to do some work shops with parents and children. I went to the paren one- it was very very basic. They have had previous surveys done with the children which I have had serious misgivings about. Leading questions about what the children may be “anxious” about. They were asked lots of questions which honestly lead to parents saying their kids were worried about issues that they had previously been oblivious to. The most recent survey opened with
“Are you a girl?
Boy?
Rather not say.”
“Rather not say.” Has led me to think the school needs a copy of the t tra msg ended trend schools pack in large print pronto.

CaveMum · 23/10/2019 18:34

Glad that link is useful for people. When I first saw it back in August it was like a lightbulb going off. So many of the descriptions fit with ROGD.

I do wonder if, as described in the article, the “software problem” is due to the massive rewiring the teenage brain goes through during puberty - causing confusion and hysteria. It’s interesting that these mass hysteria outbreaks are more common in strictly religious societies and I wonder if our more secular society has resulted in an alternative version that has pushed teenagers to the “new religion” of social media/the internet for answers.

We all know how scary and confusing puberty can be and offering a magic “this will fix all your problems” solution (transition) is cult like and very easy to see how tempting it might be.

HandsOffMyRights · 23/10/2019 18:18

Just checking you're still with us Lord? MN doesn't always tell FWR posters when they've had posts deleted.

I don't know what you posted, but I'm confident it would be as astute as ever.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/10/2019 17:57

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AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 17:36

CaveMum thank you! I was also wondering if there were commonalities with mass hysteria.

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DuMondeB · 23/10/2019 17:11

I’ve said this before but for some reason, secondary school culture seems to have developed a kind of LGBT Sorting Hat situation.

And no, this doesn’t seem to have an equivalent for the other protected characteristics in the Equality Act.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/10/2019 16:55

Diversity. Does that also apply to diversity in race, religion, ability, physicality...? Or just the rainbow type?

Why are we ignoring other ‘diverse’ groups and focussing on one particular group - We know which one - and having schools and businesses dealing their necks to say ‘this is fact, this is how it is, nothing to debate, no ill intent behind any of this...’

Women are being killed every day by ex/partners, children by parents/carers, kids and teens stabbed at an alarming rate, acid attack reports have gone quiet but I’m sure they are still happening... is this just seen as an ‘easy’ and more attractive ‘fix’?

HandsOffMyRights · 23/10/2019 15:52

My son's school is a Stonewall Champion School and a Diversity Role Models school.

Both groups' understanding of sex and gender ID do not align to my own knowledge. Or to science.

TheElementsSong · 23/10/2019 15:47

Amazing to read the link CaveMum - I'm Malaysian, and when I was in school, we all knew about those sorts of mass hysteria events amongst teenage schoolgirls. It was just "one of those things" that occasionally happened here and there.

And yes, absolutely parallel to other forms of social contagion like ROGD.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/10/2019 15:16

It’s like the cases of mass hysteria and fainting (generally among young women) they used to report back in Victorian days.

CaveMum · 23/10/2019 14:45

@LordProf there is a lot of evidence that the sudden rise in cases of transgenderism amongst predominantly teen girls (also referred to as ROGD - rapid onset gender dysphoria) is a type of social contagion. It’s very telling that the group with the highest increase in cases of GD (15-19yo girls) is also the highest “at risk” group for eating disorders.

I thought it bore many similarities to this story on the BBC: The mystery of screaming schoolgirls in Malaysia www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48850490

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/10/2019 14:30

Won't be a flat chest though will it? It will be a scarred chest.

I wonder out loud if these kids now are the goths, anorexics, punks, mods, skinheads... of our schooldays?

DuMondeB · 23/10/2019 14:25

Lovely, sensitive SD is less than a year into having periods and has only very recently stopped looking like a child. She’s in the same pubertal anguish that pretty much every woman I know experienced at some point.
She’s distressed and her fantasising about mastectomy (returning to a prepubertal flat chest) seems to me more like anorexic control than trans identity.

But then, I’m supposedly on the wrong side of history, so what do I know?
We’re contemplating making an official complaint against the school but SD’s MH is priority.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/10/2019 14:18

My stepdaughter’s school counsellor suggested that distress at developing breasts might be evidence of a NB/trans identity

or it could be because this is when girls start understanding that they can't run around topless like their male relatives in the summer, and they arent a kid anymore.

It could be because this is when they need to go through the embarrassment of having a bra - and have all the boys comment and pass comments on this and the shape of their body.

Or it could be because of the attention they start getting from creepy guys.

Or maybe it's just puberty kicking in. And we all loved that didn't we? Made us perfectly delightful and reasonable teens didn't it?

I think the school needs a new councellor.

3timeslucky · 23/10/2019 14:13

Some transgender people choose to change their appearance or body so their gender matches with how they feel. This is called transitioning. Not all transgender people choose to do this though So transitioning can mean - nothing or the full surgical and drug monty? Eh?

Not "nothing" surely? Doesn't putting on a sparkly top and a pair of heels count? Wink