Second Shelf books, at it again

And as to why feminist bookshops find it so hard to survive... most women don’t identify as any kind of feminist. It’s still a dirty word, a joke. That’s how deep internalised misogyny goes.

Our patriarchal society is riddled with it, and with the women who throw other women under the bus as a coping mechanism for dealing with it.

Patriarchy-pleasing women who collaborate with misogynists do well under patriarchy: no shit, Sherlock!

Haha, ebooks you're sounding like that Twtter feed again. I'm sure all booksellers don't speak the same way.

I too was "intrigued"..... by the voice of Second Shelf Book's Twitter feed which is why I'm noticing yours now. It has a certain robotic quality and also there's the false "we" when there is only one person running it. The only thing I could think of was that the Twitterer behind it was writing as if it was the bookshop itself that was tweeting, what a bookshop would say if it could talk. I guess I'll never know as we're on different sides but it entertained me for a short while to think about it.

the establishment of the political, social, and economic rights of the female sex

So by the definition you yourself have quoted, ebooks, feminism is for those of us who are female. Nothing there about the rights of male people. You haven’t really demonstrated a case for including them in your “feminism”, have you?

Perhaps a couple of threads on here extolling their virtues to the proper feminists could have saved them.

Given that Mumsnet was founded in 2000, and had a very small user base for several years, and Silver Moon closed in 2001, it seems unlikely don't you think?

But really, why are you bothering? You're just yet another misogynist who can't stand women gathering together to discuss stuff. All over the internet you'll find people discussing businesses they do or don't like, often in pretty robust terms, but no, you have to come here and have a go at feminists discussing feminism. You people really can't stand it, can you?

Why are you giving the impression that you couldn't care less that we lost two feminist bookshops

The loss of an independent bookshop is always sad.

I don't think that they were around when FWR started. I visited Silver Moon after it was moved into Foyles, but there wasn't much feminism left on the shelves by then.

Why are you giving the impression that you couldn't care less that we lost two feminist bookshops. Lots of women-centred, lesbian centred enterprises and organisations have fallen by the wayside.

Don't know who the women were who ran Silver Moon or Libertas. Their self-promotion skills must have been lacking.

That's certainly food for thought! Perhaps a couple of threads on here extolling their virtues to the proper feminists could have saved them.

Just like the loos at the Old Vic!

That's a good point. Apparently it's fashionable amongst the 'woke' to defraud decent people from their hard earned.

This thread seems to bother you e. Why?

I was eating a late lunch, and bookshops and the running thereof interest me. Bother is probably the wrong word, I'd go with intrigued.

And I don't think a thread where everyone agrees is very interesting.

We can all cherry pick but what stands out on the paragraph you picked out? What REALLY Stands out?

Oh that would be no mention of gender but sex. Feminism is for women not men

Don't know who the women were who ran Silver Moon or Libertas. Their self-promotion skills must have been lacking.

That’s liberal feminism e and you’re welcome to practice it - if course you are.

Radical feminism is liberation from the Patriarchy. Much more exciting than mere equality.

You should give it a try

Women's liberation. That's where it's at.

Can I also add that it made me laugh to visit Second Shelf Book's brand new shiny website, including promotional blurb about and photos of the proprietor, but no actual books for sale on the site. Priorities I suppose.

good-o

I was a customer and one of many women I know who contributed to her crowdfunder

I don't know anything about this shop but are you saying women contributed to this woman's business and are now having their generosity and good faith thrown back in their faces via misogynistic language?

That's a really unpleasant way to behave. I hope she has paid you back every penny

Just like the loos at the Old Vic!

This thread seems to bother you e. Why?

Second shelf isn’t “inclusive.” It excluded all the women branded as T**Fs.

As you're all so keen on dictionary definitions: Woman, adult human female; I'll give you the OED's definition of feminism.

3. Advocacy of equality of the sexes and the establishment of the political, social, and economic rights of the female sex; the movement associated with this (see note below). Cf. womanism n.,

And that's what I'm fighting for. Sorry if I'm womaning wrong.

Inclusive of penises. They don't think their buzzwords through do they?

MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world.

Do you really want to talk about who 'gets to' define words? really? There's a lot of discussion on these boards about that, if you are genuinely interested.

If your feminism includes males then it's not feminism. It's called egalitarianism.

Silver Moon closed in 2001 due to rising rents. What is your evidence for implying it is due to their approach to trans inclusion?
It seems highly unlikely to me that at that date it would have been anything related to that.

MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world

Neither do businesses in soho.

Who does get to define feminism then ebooksarebooks?

Men? Males?

Mumsnet is in the real world, a lot happens here from women talking to one another.

Which other feminist bookshops are there by the way. I don't know of any, "inclusive" or not.

There are a lot of people with misogynistic views who hold down difficult jobs, or run small businesses. I don’t need to feel sorry for them.

You may give your money to any shop or service-provide that aligns with your own ethos. That's how it works.

Most feminist bookshops have decided to be inclusive, the ones that aren't , as a pp rightly point out above, found they didn't have enough custom to survive.

Make of that what you will, but MN FWR doesn't get to define feminism in the real world.