Second Shelf books, at it again

My favourite (fictional) bookstore. I wept a little when it finally succumbed.

What is all this 'my' feminism nonsense?

Feminism, like other words, has a meaning. It isn't up to any individual to unilaterally decide to change that meaning.

Feminism is the liberation of the female sex class. That's what it means. It obviously includes all women, even those who believe in disembodied gendered souls regardless of how they 'identify' so is inclusive of XX trans people. It equally obviously excludes all men, even those who believe in disembodied gendered souls regardless of how they 'identify' so is exclusive of XY trans people.

I don't know what you'd call a movement that is for women, but not those women and not men except those men but it certainly isn't feminism.

Maybe 'likeypinkyfluffythingsism' or something.

If feminism is good for men it's probably not feminism.

Feminism is good for everyone.

Fuck equality, feminism is about liberation

Second shelf isn’t “inclusive.” It excluded all the women branded as TFs

That is the issue. Nobody is campaigning or complaining about a feminist bookshop having LibFem or transgender writers on its shelves. This person has taken to twitter to insult feminists, after having taken money from them to set up her business.

"my feminism"

a term almost always used by people who want to change the meaning of feminism to suit males better

Men lose out because of feminism and rightly so, they have a lot to lose. If feminism is good for men it's probably not feminism.

Nobody’s policing you, it was your definition - the one you sourced and provided.

Are you now saying you disagree with the OED definition of feminism? The one you said you were fighting for?

I have a feeling that we're due a "TWAW" any minute now. I love the smell of manTRAs first thing in the afternoon.

Un peu goady, non?

I will continue to say that I don't exclude trans women from my feminism. Everyone benefits from feminism.

You, are not the feminism police.

I don't exclude trans women from my feminism. Everyone benefits from feminism.

So why then did you yourself provide a definition of feminism that says it’s about the rights of the female sex?

News From Nowhere in Liverpool isn’t specifically a feminist bookshop, but it has many feminist books & is run by an all women collective. They also got harassed a few years ago & forced into the grovelling apology prostration we’re not worthy process by TRAs for selling a booklet which was gender critical. So they’ve submitted in a way but I think mostly due to weather have to to survive’. I heard rumours they still sell it if you ask for it, they just took it off display, but I’ve not been in the city for a few years so I can’t be sure. If it’s true it’s a horrid symptom of where we are - forced to sell radical feminist literature covertly under the counter.

I have a feeling that we're due a "TWAW" any minute now.

I love the smell of manTRAs first thing in the afternoon.

But eBooks, you didn’t engage with the point that by your own offering of a definition of feminism, male people are necessarily excluded!

I don't exclude trans women from my feminism. Everyone benefits from feminism.

She could quite easily have stated that she was trans inclusive but that everyone was welcome.

Actually, I’m not so sure she could. TRAs demand complete capitulation: anything less than explicitly excluding and condemning wicked “T*RFs” would be seen as fraternisation with the enemy and a terrible betrayal of those Very Important Penises.

She knows which side her bread is buttered on.

It is tragic isn't it Talking. These women's business were a beacon.

Their shop is just round the corner from Soho isn't it?

Sorry

I will be visiting the next time I'm in London.

Women-centered is so much more interesting, invigorating and exciting than dull "inclusivity' (of males). Come and join us ebooks and bring your friend Second Shelf.

But eBooks, you didn’t engage with the point that by your own offering of a definition of feminism, male people are necessarily excluded!

Why would that be, I wonder? Surely you’re here in good faith to have a reasoned discussion, aren’t you?

That ‘feminist’ shop is an absolute shit show.

She could quite easily have stated that she was trans inclusive but that everyone was welcome. Instead she decided to call women Terfs and refuse customers. Yanbu OP!

Yes, I think even the once wonderful Virago has capitulated, Karabair.
Tragic.

There is also the very wonderful Persephone Press, which publishes 20th century women writers, including Virginia Woolf. Their books are beautiful too

Persephone is indeed wonderful, I have spent hours just stroking the end-papers.

you people

Hmm, is that all women who don't think like you?

Another dictionary definition for you: "you people"
Noun
(plural only)

(pejorative) Any outsiders of a clique.
Members of a particular group, collectively.
That is the type of thing you people would say.
(US, Maine) Plural of you.
Usage notes:
In the United States, this expression, however intended by the speaker, has been interpreted as indicative of racism when used in discourse with those of a race different from the speaker's, or of discrimination on an ethnic or religious basis in analogous situations.

Not a good look.

There is also the very wonderful Persephone Press, which publishes 20th century women writers, including Virginia Woolf. Their books are beautiful too:

www.persephonebooks.co.uk/

They also have a bookshop!

Virago is the women's publisher that has been going since 1972, although I think I can spot the term "trans" on a bookcover on their website

www.virago.co.uk/

The Women's Press was another one.

the establishment of the political, social, and economic rights of the female sex

Good, think we're all agreed on that. (I'm assuming the OED has a meaningful definition of 'female')